Tesla is considering building a smaller pickup truck after the Cybertruck failed

I'm not sure the size was the problem. It was *[gestures at everything]*

Tesla has a larger pickup truck?

I don't believe this for a minute. If Tesla was really working on new models they'd be putting on a dog and pony show (as they did with the Wankpanzer). All Tesla seems to be doing these days is finding quick and dirty ways to tweak the Model Y to address minor variations in market demands.

The oversized clunker Cyberflop actually has a rather small bed to begin with. Ford, Chevy, and Rivian all have much better designs. Absolutely nobody in their right mind wants a smaller version of the Cybertruck.

So more like a kitchen sized trash can rather than a full dumpster?

Tesla will flail until Elon divests

>“We always talked about making a smaller pickup. I think in the future, as more and more of the robotaxi comes into the world, we look at those options and we think about, OK, that kind of service is useful not just for people, but also for goods. \[..\] We’ve definitely been churning in the design studio about what we might do to serve that need for sure.” IT'S A LORRY! WHAT MOVES GOODS IS A LORRY! ONE YOU ALREADY MADE ELECTRIC AND DOESN'T WORK!

How about the smaller tsla sedan/city car elmo was ranting about earlier? It caused the stock to shoot up, and now it's mysterious quiet. Anything to keep up the hype.

Oh God. More maybe, considering, estimating, speculating staff just to distract and support the share price. When will the market become immune to these endless promises?

A smaller utilitarian truck could actually be a good idea. I hope the Bezos-truck (Slate Auto) doesn't end up being just vaporware. That's something I would actually use and I am not a truck guy.

They do have a history of showing a concept they say is coming soon, open the order books, and then delivering something that looks like the concept several years later but is nowhere near the price or range targets they promised. The fact that they don’t even have a concept to show says a lot.

Anyone paying attention realizes the only people who like these trucks are incells an 3 year old kids...

Ahahahahahahhahahahahha… that’s all I can say about it. The company is a joke, incredible the Stan’s & Wall Street don’t understand it (yet)

Likely this is just a way to get lots of preorder money as an interest free loan.  With the present revenue drops they probably want a larger reserve of cash and every time they announce a new model suckers line up to give them money in some cultish FOMO delusion.

It was Tesla's original plan to make a mainstream EV car. But that was before Musk turned Tesla into a meme stock. Tesla is just too late, BYD is so far ahead, and most big manufacturers make compelling EV options at lower price than Tesla. The only reason I would consider a Tesla is that the used price has gone way down, but I wouldn't get one for 10 000 $ because I am pretty sure Musk will brick every Tesla on the road with a malicious OTA update once Tesla's book cooking is revealed.

It failed because it looks ridiculous.

And pump the stock. Announcements like this seem to always pump the stock.

Yeah definitely not the size that is the issue here....

No one wants to support a nazi that’s why

They already have smaller ones in that diner, right?

They can sell a cheap model 3 smaller version of us$ 20k/25k. But they refuse to make it.

If they're the first to build an EV yute I'm gonna be kinda sad tbh. I've wanted to see one in forever. I just hope they don't have that Tesla styling. Rivian, Hyundai would have the best styling for a yute.

I can imagine a situation where he cashes out without warning and leaves investors to take the fall when the stock price tanks

Who would want scratches on a 100k vehicle?  Rich people calls it SUV with truck capability.

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Yes by all means Elon pour money into another flop, your reputation could do with yet another devastating blow.

The don't need to make a smaller truck. They need to make a truck. Like, an actual, classic formfactor, truck. There were so many awesome renders of what the cybertruck could look like before it came out. Like, why couldn't they build this? https://www.autoevolution.com/news/tesla-pickup-truck-rendering-is-the-most-rugged-ev-ever-134880.html

Smaller Nazi car is still Nazi car Maybe they could call it a “folk wagon” for the Aryan proletariat. Oh wait, like many things from Tesla that sounded better in the original German.

>Absolutely nobody in their right mind wants a smaller version of the Cybertruck. Never underestimate the gullibility of the tesla dudebrostsn

Thank you for the laugh

I thought Tesla was running restaurants now? Might be a higher margin business for them.

Come on now - they've only done that once. Every other time they've just failed to deliver at all.

I don’t even know if he can i got a feeling the reason this stock doesn’t go down is because him and all the large portfolio holders are using them as collateral. I keep thinking their fall is the start of the large economic crisis leihmann brothers style.

Lol!

If they just made a truck, a normal one, without anything fancy, with a price a lot lower than Ford as with at least as much capacity it would sell really well. But they won’t, it will be everything truck buyers don’t want.

It shrinks naturally as the parts fall off

What’s funny to me about the cyber truck story is that months before it released, retail investors would not stop asking about it on every earnings call. They would put on their smartest sounding voice, and beg for it the way a toddler begs for candy. Now, they balk when their messiah reveals himself to be just a man. Retail investors are unusually stupid.

Great, more junk!

Tesla's gambit was clean energy cars for the rich. BYD's was clean energy cars at affordable prices. In Mexico, right after BYD opened dealerships, Tesla's model 3 went from 1,400,000 mxn to 700,000 because BYD brought the Seal at 900,000 and it was like 4 times the car a tesla is... You can picture how inflated Tesla's prices are if they can just cut the price 50% to try to outcompete BYD and they still fumbled that because BYD has the seagull (dolphin mini in mx) and the dolphin, a whole segment of family sedans that Tesla promised like a decade ago and just never even considered developing.

To compete with Slate

So out of touch with reality...

Elmo started talking about the wankpanzer in 2012-2013, took a full decade for that masterpiece to come to fruition! Best I can tell this “small truck” is the only new consumer vehicle in their design pipeline. This is a car company that isn’t interested in making cars.

Pfft... how were they supposed to make that out of an exoskeleton?

What's shocking about this is that any car design is going to be run through focus groups to see if people like it. They had to have known the cybertruck was not going to be well received. And they have to know neither will this. But I think Musk is in "god mode", where he's trying to prove to himself that he's special and he's right when everyone else is wrong. So if the focus group comes back with "90% of the people hated the look of it"... then he produces it thinking he'll show them how wrong they are. Basically a petulant manchild wasting billions and billions of dollars.

Right after the Roadster 2.0.

Unclear if size is really the issue at hand, but it's good to know even Tesla knows this thing is a flop.

Size was part of it though. It's too bulky to be useful.

The crybaby is the problem, although at this point, the damage is already done

"Stop doing all of this..." "You just pointed at all of me," "Yes, stop doing all of that!"

Elon has said that AI, robo-taxis and Optimus are the future of Tesla. He’s not very interested anymore in selling cars. Just enough to fuel his vision.

Hardly matters any more, people don't want Teslas period.

I don't think Grok is even really a player in the AI space. I never hear of anyone using it other than Tesla shills/fanbois.

He better hurry up then, I don't think Bezos is fucking around with Slate...

The size isn't neccesarily the problem. But despite its size, it's just not useful for people who use pick-ups

It was the way he gestured specifically that we can’t not see

It isn't possible to build and sell a cheap basic car profitably in America, whether gas or electric.

So would a smaller CT be anymore useful?

Yes, because Tesla only sells cars in the US.

No way they’re close to anything new, but my dream car right now would be a small pickup based on a Y body.

Okay, I've got a simple two step program that will help this out. Step 1- Make a product people actually want. Step 2-Make sure Elon has nothing to do with it. Might not be enough, but it's the start.

How you coming on that roadster? Got a nice chassis? Got a little tension with the interior? Got a little styling that makes it really pop?

For some reason Tesla has avoided the Osborne Effect.

No because it would fit even less stuff. The bed of the CT is smaller than any pick-up truck available

The interpretation by Musk that 90% of people hated it is that the sales are likely to reach 800 million units sold so they’d be foolish not to move ahead

To be honest, the flatbed on it is smaller than many much smaller Japanese micro-vans. It’s just a terrible design all around.

can't wait for the ugly truck coming out in 2030

Oh yeah of course that's what Americans want smaller trucks

The Tesla Brabantia.

It's also not useful enough to be useful,

A small ct would have the cargo capacity of a mini.

Please let Elon design this one, too!

Seems pretty obvious that people low on the foodchain knew that the cyberflop was inevitable, but I’d love to know if anyone actually sat Elmo down with the facts or if they were all just sycophants. (My gut says the latter.)

I got a special trailer to transport my Roadster behind my Semi.

👨‍🍳 😘🤌

Brabantia is actually quality stuff

So it will suck more small. WIN!

Yeah fair enough. Although false advertising isn't something new to Tesla lol.

Something to tackle Slate, Ford, and Hyundai/KIA.

A totally new design and a totally new CEO would be where I start.

“I’m I out of touch? ….No, it’s the truck size that is wrong”

They‘ll call it Model Y. They‘ll just leave the roof off. Job done.

Maybe he could, I don’t know, make it shaped like a truck.

The brand has suffered from irraparable damage, there is massive competition in all markets, there is no bringing this back to what it once was

Have everyone forgot about Tesla Semi? Is it about to put train freight out of business yet?

It would only be profitable in countries that have high tariffs on Chinese EVs.

They should go for a economy EV like the most bare bones but working vehicle. Imagine a EV in America that can compete with BYD price wise.

Give it a roof panel that is semi translucent and never fits correctly. Threatens to blow away in the wind.

Making it smaller isn’t going to help.

Elon is done he may not know it yet, he better start saving money and cut out that extra Starbucks. His wave is over.

The semi is a joke. Horrible design decisions by FEA jockeys who didn't actually understand the load inputs. You can't just take the front and rear suspension of Europe trucks, bolt them on to a "structural battery" and pray it lives in the US market.

L o freaking l No one in the world but Elon could even consider a sequel to clthe cyber truck.

They’re just pumping their stock

Once again Tesla is propping up its stock price with PR and announcements rather than actual execution.

I think that's a great idea. Nobody cares about the coupe. The people are clamoring for a new cyber truck. Because electric car people love trucks, and truck people love electric cars.

The actual bed of the CyberTruck isn't the problem -- it is roughly the same size as any other full-size pickup truck bed. For comparison, the CT bed is \~73 inches long, \~51 inches wide, and \~19 inches tall. An F-150 (including Lightning) bed is \~67 inches long, \~50 inches wide, and \~21 inches tall, while the Rivian R1T bed is \~54 inches long, \~50 inches wide, and \~17 inches tall. The CT's problems are nearly everything *except* the bed dimensions.

More of a wheelie bin

[heils at everything]

That's not all usable bed though from my understanding. My understanding is the front of the bed is slopped over the bed so only very short items can use the full length. If your item is over a foot your bed size shrinks like a half foot or something.

False lies to pump the stock

>Now, Tesla finds itself having given up its lead in electric vehicles for a fake lead in autonomy, which won’t deliver real value for likely another 5 years, while competition from Waymo, Baidu, and others is pulling ahead. That sentence pretty much says it all!

Their pickup doesn't sell so their plan is to build more pickups? Brilliant!

For Musk, lying is just as easy as breathing.

Someone post the gif.

FTA: Now, Tesla finds itself having given up its lead in electric vehicles for a fake lead in autonomy Damn eletrek not pulling any punches. I still don’t see any evidence of anyone at Tesla admitting the cybertruck failed

That's really all they had to do. Release a Model Y with the back end redesigned as a light duty truck bed. There's nothing to fill the space that used to be occupied by the Ranger or S10. A light duty EV truck could fill that niche.

I didn't say they did.

I'll keep my Chevy LUV

Remember this? >"But I wasn't super worried about that because if it turns out nobody wants to buy a weird-looking truck, we'll build a normal truck, no problem." Musk said a more conventional pickup was Tesla's "fallback strategy." I don't think "smaller" is going to get them to "normal". Elon loves the Cybertruck's goofy ass design and wants it to be at the forefront of the company's brand image. Hence why the Tesla diner has Cybertruck packaging even though the actual vehicle was a total flop.

Knowing Elon, he'd probably call it the model 2 and have 2S3XY

Not an economist, but it is kind of fascinating when you think about WHAT those holders are using them as collateral for. Things like Twitter and other non-consequential investments would hurt people at the top and suck for retirement accounts. In the end, however, it is not a direct threat to housing, banking, infrastructure, health, etc. I would think that would look more like the dot-com bubble burst when horrors like pets.com went under <(gasp)>. I'd like to hear some other opinions on what that collapse would directly affect.

I know 2 people that made their main amount thru Tesla and bitcoin that basically got themselves and lma and used that to buy real estate during the pandemic. I got 0 idea how much of that has been paid back. But would love if some ever did a study. I think some of the investment arms of normal banks could get hit hard.

80% chance this new pickup never materializes from Tesla and the whole point of floating the idea is just to pull sales away from Slate and Rivian.

“I shall call it - Mini-Elmo!!”

Good. Keep diluting your resources. Shrewd move, Elmo Skum.

Who doesn’t want a truck frame made out of beer-cans and broken promises, that snaps in half the second you try to tow something?

Their strategy of iterating on one model of car seems like a huge longterm liability. The look falls more and more out of style, it becomes harder to shoehorn in more dramatic automotive innovations. I've heard nothing to suggest they have any long term plan to fully update their lineup.

Would be pretty funny if they designed a small truck that could potentially be popular outside of the US but they kept the sharp edges everywhere design and it couldn't be sold due to pedestrian safety.

It is literally the grossest thing ever.

Problem with Elon is everything he designs is futuristic and that doesn’t fly all the time he needs practical usable he’s infatuated with the future which is fine I guess but come on man enough is enough. 

Like the Slate?

Toyota and now Nissan frontier are going to mid size hybrid trucks (so you can actually still use them to do truck things). An electric truck is useless. No way I am buying a Tesla truck over Japanese brand mid size trucks. I would rather walk.

Throughout the history of the automotive industry, virtually every car manufacturer has experienced its share of failed projects. For instance, General Motors released the Saturn Ion, Pontiac Fiero, and Chevrolet Citation—vehicles that, despite their initial excitement, fell short of expectations due to quality concerns and struggled to find their footing in a competitive market. Ford, too, has its roster of infamous models of misadventure. For example, Ford Edsel and Ford Pinto, which captured headlines for all the wrong reasons, Ford Five Hundred. Tesla embarked on this ugly project with a sense of bravado, believing it could outmaneuver the entrenched practices of the automotive industry. Remember at the unveiling how Tesla was pulling the Ford F150 ([https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/11/26/tesla-vs-ford-pickup-challenge-musk-says-bring-it-on.html](https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/11/26/tesla-vs-ford-pickup-challenge-musk-says-bring-it-on.html)). Remember the specs when it was unveiled? Single-motor at $39,000 with 250+ miles? Or, the Tri-Motor with 500+ miles at a price point of $69,900? Take a look here: [https://xautoworld.com/news/cybertruck-unveiled/](https://xautoworld.com/news/cybertruck-unveiled/). The company’s initial offering was touted at a more approachable $39,000, but this soon ballooned to an astonishing $105,000 for the so-called founder’s series, with no significant enhancements in performance or features to warrant such an increase. Ugly, overpriced, priced-out most of its core clients, underwhelming specs! Icing on the cake: yeah, extreme right-wing politics, pissing off and pissing on its key customer bases in California, Oregon, and Washington.  It was as if Ray Charles, riding on a galloping horse away from the scne, could have seen the writing on the wall, foreseeing the impending abject failure of Tesla’s cyber truck.

They made a song about that. Every breath you take, is a lie you make, every claim you make, always turns out fake, there is nothing new. Or something like that.

I actually think the interest in the Slate is why he is even talking about a smaller truck.

Maybe. I'm always skeptical of startup EV makers. Tesla had the wherewithal to bring an abomination like the CT to market. They could have actually made a Model Y truck with a lot less money and effort. It certainly could have been comparable to the Model Y in price

Yes. Double down on stupid

Oh yeah, go for it TeSSla! Another hilarious fiasco would be good, we definitely need the good laughs

The Slate will have a frame. Something Tesla seems allergic to doing properly. And as Tesla also recently learned, just slapping a bed on something doesn't make it a pickup. Although I fully endorse them missing the boat in it again. The reason things like the Ranger were (and are) popular is the insane durability and functionality.

ElonCamino But an actual truck needs a steel frame and aluminum non structural panels, the opposite of the CT. The CT *original design* was to have use structural load bearing steel outer panels, like the SpaceX rocket. That’s the genesis of the idea. But they found that such was not manufacturable in mass and wouldn’t pass crash tests. A rational CEO would have canceled it then and moved to a conventional steel body on frame design, but Musk Want Want Want his Bladerunner dream and insisted they do it. So there’s a truck with nothing of the original other than the visual shape. Aluminum castings inside with thin cheap flat lower grade stainless cosmetic body panels. Notice now how Musk has stopped tweeting about the CT? His attention has moved on, that was so 2021 ago.

Tesla are a little too arrogant. I think they have missed the opportunity to enter the mini EV market by releasing a model 2 and really hoover up. Instead they have let BYD bring in the seal with a 60kw battery for under 30k and smaller options for the general around towners!

There was a long term plan. Musk killed it when he came back from Twitter. Reuters reported so and Musk screeched they were lying and they were really working on a new model. Now 1.5 years later, there is nothing but a cheap trim of Y, something that all automakers do all the time and is never newsworthy.

It's almost like you shouldn't let a nepo baby with a Messiah complex and absolutely zero competence direct an engineering project

Probably too late too save the company.

I keep saying, size is not important.

You win Reddit for the day. 🏆

Maybe call it the mini-maga mobile. Go for it Elon, your buyers will love you even more after your accidental almost Nazi wave, and helping to destroy green credits.

He’ll call it the KIDS truck and it’ll be S3XYKIDS

Crazy! But that's how it goes

From the article: “We always talked about making a smaller pickup. I think in the future, as more and more of the robotaxi comes into the world, we look at those options and we think about, OK, that kind of service is useful not just for people, but also for goods. \[..\] We’ve definitely been churning in the design studio about what we might do to serve that need for sure." 2 points spring out at me: "talked", which is something Elon is great at; and, robotaxis in connection with the talked about vehicle. So, we will have a robotaxi flop and a simultaneous robotruck flop. Combined with the Optimus flop that is 3 strikes and Tesla is out.

To be fair, I kind of do. But the political stuff would stop me, even though I’m mostly immune from social pressure.

So will the smaller one be able to carry only 1 bag of fertilizer or 2?

You are totally ignoring that that the cybertruck has the best karaoke (called "Caraoke") possibly of any other EV truck on the market.

Tesla’s advantage should be a massive head start, but Elon’s lack of attention to Tesla’s progress squandered that advantage.

What advantage do they hold?

2S3XY4U

“Doing truck stuff!!!”

Concepts of a concept.

He stole my design from when I was in 2nd grade...

Japanese microvans are engineering masterpieces

Jfc, just build a small affordable car

Yes -- I found a video that describes the bed shape in detail. I drive an F-150 Lightning, and one of the things I love about it is that the bed is *exactly* the same as every other short-bed F-150. Anyway, the CyberTruck bed is weird -- you're right, the back of the cab slopes backward as it goes up. This appears to be so that they can maximize the bed footprint without increasing the length of the vehicle. From the video, an *honest* assessment of the bed is that it is roughly 59 inches long and 50 inches wide. You get an extra *two feet* at floor-level (good for hauling plywood sheets, I guess), and a enclosed box size of 65 inches long, 50 inches wide, and 19 inches high. The usable bed is roughly comparable to a Ford Ranger or Rivian R1T (both mid-size pickups) despite the fact that the CyberTruck occupies as much space is a full-size pickup. I see a useful market for a compact BEV pickup -- as far as I know, nobody (other than maybe the Chinese) are making vehicles in this market. The Ford Maverick has a bed that's 54 inches long, 42 inches wide (between the wheel wells, 53 inches over the wheel wells), and 20 inches high. Overall the Maverick is within a few inches of the dimensions of a Model Y -- so they're going to put a pickup cab and bed on a Model Y and call it good?

Like a 10 yr headstart on EV tech

Can't really call the Pinto a "failed project". Bad press notwithstanding, Ford sold over 3 million of them in it's 10 year life, way outselling the Vega and the Gremlin (there wasn't a Dodge/Plymouth competing model, the Omni/Horizon didn't show up until right at the end of the Pinto's life).

Why can't you take the front and read suspensions of a Euro truck? Scania, etc, semi tractors are spec'd for higher loads than US semis. Or are you saying it's the bolting to the battery that's a problem? (which is not to say the Tesla semi doesn't have a lot of other issues, which make it impractical for real-world use).

As long as it falls appart at speed, gotta keep that company DNA.

Ok, and they lost that. All they have is FSD (and they cant get that to work as advertised)

FSD is a scam. Waymo is winning that one.

But it was worth it to be made out of lower polygons. Graphics memory is for the wokes.

It was the price. The cybertruck is middle of the pack in EV truck sales, a segment people generally just don’t want at current prices and ranges.

The cyber truck looks so cheap Some of these EVs are starting to look like old cell phones that you want to turn in for a new one Imagine having some Nokia on a belt holder and that’s your car Ugh

It’s not a truck. It’s not a pickup truck. It’s a WankPanzer.

Considering how little it could haul, it was a small truck so guess means a redo would be a truckbed smaller than car trunk

Perfect, since the bed was already too small

He would probably spell it KYDZ.

The electrical service a truck stop would need to charge a bunch of them is nuts (among a number of other issues).

That means chopping off half of model y‘s roof these days?

They just dangling the carrot of new models that they may have talked about in a meeting to the press right away. Sure, a model 2 or model 1 is presented soon. And a small pickup and a van and have we all forgotten the Roadster? If they had anything remotely physical, they‘d show it. Much like they did with the CyberCab and the weird Bus-thing. It’s just to pump the stock. Nothing more. There is nothing in the pipeline that’s coming out the next 3-4 years (normal cycle for car development)

So....lets build a smaller piece of shit........

Why do the drivers who have been using it seem to love it if it is such a joke?

When it runs it runs fine (though back to back the Nikola drove way nicer) and anything with independent suspension is actually more comfortable than a traditional semi. But where do you get such anecdotes? I've actually been in the truck (and the Nikola, and Volvo EV, and other EVs that aren't on the market yet). The layout is a pain in the ass, the chassis and cab are built worse than a Forest River RV (garbage and I'm not apologizing for that). It's super light, but that's part of why it breaks down so frequently,

Elon hears that "it's too small" often in his personal life, so he made a huge truck.

there were plans for a model 2. I never made that connection. He's so fucking juvenile

Everyone: make a truck and the only change is that its electric instead of gas. Elon: no

The TACO of course...

The CyberTwink

or as a competitor to the "Slate", meet the "Hate"

They build nice sedans and crossovers. They should stick to their strengths and expand on them with a smaller cheaper car. The cyber truck was DOA with limited appeal and I don’t see them doing any better with a smaller truck if it also looks like a dumpster or wheels.

The fucking thing is ugly is why it failed !! Compare that pos to a fully loaded Silverado 🤷‍♂️I know what I would rather have! It’s a no brainer

Interviews with Pepsi/Frito Lay drivers on how their day to day has been has been very positive. There are several available on YouTube. Important to note that the test mules are not the final form. First production runs will be much more meaningful.

Exactly this. It took them 4 years from taking pre-orders on the CyberTruck to delivery. And it’s been 7 years since they took pre-orders for the Roadster refresh - still with no delivery in sight.

Funny how the Tesla semi and roadster are a distant memory.

Yeah, GM sold a shit ton of X body cars as well. They only sucked about as much as any other domestic.

And hold it in place with double sided tape

You mean what they should have done from the jump?

TBH I miss mini-trucks and they make a lot more sense as an EV than the CT. Every truck now is a six ton monstrosity that screams male insecurity. Wouldn’t touch anything made by Tesla though.

Looks aside, if anyone could manufacture a car that was as rugged and reliable as those early-mid 2000s Nokias I’d buy it in a heartbeat.

I have a model 3 and lightning. Can confirm!

Isn’t the bed weirdly shaped with few aftermarket options? I love that my Lightning will accept all after market 150 parts.

Lies to keep retail investors from selling.

I want a cybertruck -- not to drive, but as a home entertainment center. This approach (not going anywhere) also totally eliminates range anxiety. (Dear Mr. Musk: I am available to work as an image consultant).

Yep! I love to clown on the CT but only because it's kinda deeply funny. Plus I'm a car guy and we treat vehicles like sports teams. It was the Nazi stuff that was not cool. Honestly too, respect to Elon types for being absolutely amazing at attracting talent. Jealous. I once made a joke about an Elon type at a place I worked... "You could make a strong argument that this dude is value add to the company even if his team does zilch. Cause he brings in all the talent, then when he pisses them off by micromanages them, they disperse out and grow all of the other teams." I also said once I would punch that dude, but that was because he hurt people I cared about.

Watching one trying to navigate downtown streets of Seattle is kinda hilarious. Like a box waddling about trying to walk a straight line sight unseen.

(4 months later) Honestly the biggest problem was the lack of a real 4680 battery. Dood advertised a silicon anode and 50% some odd more capacity, and then went radio silent on that chemistry for 5 years and counting. Original Cybertruck reveal had a $70k model with 500 miles range. Honestly they could have a fleet of cows take a shit into the bed of every truck that has to be cleaned at the customer's expense and for $70k with 500 miles of range they wouldn't be able to make them fast enough. If the M4 Mac Mini was $2,000 with 4GB of RAM and 64GB of SSD, nobody would buy one, but for $500 with 16GB of RAM and 256GB of SSD, they're flying off the shelves. There's no bad products, just bad price/performance ratios.