They were supposed to be
Because of a redesign... I thought they were already perfect and only software needed to learn a bit more... I hate the times we live in where liars and conmen rise to the top. Or maybe it always was like that, just nowadays they got worse at hiding it. 😅
Their AI failing to drive a car so it will definitely not control a robot. Not that there is a business behind the robot.
Output? Que?!
It was only supposed to be 5000 units over this whole year. Meaning they probably made very few so far at all, and are stopping even that tiny level of output. The headline does seem to imply they were making them as a viable product, when really they were just being made in tiny prototype batches, and now not even that.
I was about to get an optimus maid to replace my roomba... what am I going to do now?
They told Tom to put his screwdriver down.
Simple. Put your deposit down now on the Optimus 2. Remember all the promises for the Optimus 1? These promises are bigger and better promises than ever before. (Non-refundable)
"Alongside corporate turbulence,[ Optimus](https://coincentral.com/tesla-lawsuit-robotics-trade-secret/) still faces unresolved engineering challenges. According to Tesla’s feedback to suppliers, the robot’s joints are prone to overheating, the dexterous hand mechanisms suffer from low durability, and its battery life remains inadequate for extended tasks. The robot is currently being tested in Tesla’s battery workshops, where its efficiency is reportedly less than half that of human workers." Jeez , guys it sounds ready for production for sure , just slight issues with them needing more maintenance than the average human and battery only lasting for 5 minutes but hey I'm sure were all fucked when the AI ROBOTS come no.
So I guess the Tesla robot will still be stuck in its glass cage of sadness at next year’s China Robot Exposition?
Another article said they’re pausing it to redesign the hardware and software. So…the whole thing? Got it.
Among other things with Tesla. Their Fcf and ROIC are increasingly bad from last year. I’d imagine projects like Robotaxi and Optimus can eat through this cash/money very very quickly. If These numbers continue to fall, it’ll be bad.
This goes down really well together with the 17% drop in sales numbers. Expect 10% up in share price today!
Stock will be up 10% today on news that Tesla is taking this important step to keep Optimus on track
Didn’t read your post but I‘m sure it’s bullish, will buy more Tesler stonks.
So they wont be going to Mars next year and Tesla won't be making trillions in profits then? Stock goes up 10%
They „halted“ a Production that never really occured. This is another example of Smoke and Mirrors with which Musk tries to hide all the failings inside this Company.
Let me guess : TSLA stock up 10% ? 😂
Unrealistic product and production numbers? Stock up. Director in charge of the product leaves? Stock up. Halting production because it‘s not feasible? Believe it or not.. stock up.
Less than half seems generous.
> focused on improving design functionality before mass production can resume You can't resume what never was. > According to Tesla’s feedback to suppliers Classic Tesla playbook. Blame the suppliers from which you purchased the cheapest parts possible, then announce to great fanfare that you're gonna start manufacturing these parts yourself, making them even worse. > The robot is currently being tested in Tesla’s battery workshops, where its efficiency is reportedly less than half that of human workers. 0% of human workers' efficiency is technically less than half. > Shareholder Pressure Mounts No it isn't.
It’s just a tactic, give bad news to make the stock go up.
I read somewhere they already built 1200 units.
The reason we're seeing this is the US empire is falling, and China is on the rise. So Elon conned the leaders of America (as did the mag6 with AI) into believing that AI could be Americas salvation and what keeps them on top for another generation. We saw the same thing with the banks... the gov willfully turned a blind eye so that American banks would remain the biggest in the world because that served US interests. As a result, antitrust law was ignored and outright criminality by Elon has been ignored. But those days could quickly come to an end as people realize his vision of FSD and rocket ships to Mars isn't going to happen... and especially not in a way that dominates China. So once he has no value, they may very well throw him in a cell. Or Epstein him.
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And the stock continues to climb. On bad news.... I'm staying away from jt for that reason.
They haven't even produced a single functional unit that can perform a task. Maybe define what your product can do before starting a production schedule.
Less than half can mean anywhere from 49 to 0%
Indeed.
What output? They ran out of wires to run their puppets?
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yeah, I'd wager below 1%, a robot worker that is even a third in efficiency to a human can still be worth for a lot of companies because of long term savings
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But they will have a new prototype ready for earnings: >Tesla may reveal a redesigned Optimus at its next shareholder meeting to reassure investors. To me that sends the message: "We produced millions worth for the bin, but we will have our next potentially final design prototype ready soon." Very convincing. Could maybe add: We will use the 1.200 already produced versions as test-payload for the next starship-explosion...
You hear a lot of his flock talk about getting a"'bad batch" of whatever part from their vendors. But the fact something could just be a shitty design to begin with? Never!!
Fisted Principles!
stock will go +7% as we don't get how much of a good news this is
Does nobody remember SmarterChild? It’s as if it never existed.
Nobody will buy this sht anyways
Haha basically. He just had to walk down to the basement and say “hey… you two… take a break ok? Maybe find another project for the next 6 months or so.”
This is great news: an even better version of Optimus is coming out even before the first one has released. Exponential growth. Stock price should increase by 8% at least
You fellas go work on the imaginary brain implant or maybe the imaginary vacuum tube tunnel train.
Once the hardware and software is optimised (see what I did there?) mass production will commence. The first versions were just marketing and stock manipulation props, slightly better than a dude in a spandex suit.
"Replace faulty carbon units"
It is pretty effective at poisoning residents in Memphis.
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They also built a lot of cybertrucks. I don't see any evidence, that building a lot means, it's a viable product.
We live in a world where assholes thrive.
Electric vehicles are a real trillion dollar business. Meanwhile Tesla threw its lead away on fraudulent self-driving and robot butlers that don't have a snowballs chance in hell of succeeding. Share price up tomorrow!
Going back to a dancing person in a lycra bodysuit
or you know, because its all hokum.
Yeah ”pauses”… jesus fucking christ the grift is endless.
100% and china's communist government is uniquely positioned to see huge technological leaps because the full weight of their government is behind the industries. One of the things that made america great during the industrial revolution was how much public funding was put into infrastructure to support technology developments. The automobile for instance was turned into a massive success by in large from the National Interstate and Defense Highways Act of 1956, now at least every family in America owns at least 2 cars, with over 285 million on the road. We could have this same success with clean energy and AI, but this administration is hell bent on pulling the rug out from under all these industries in an attempt to privatize everything out of sheer greed, and in return we are going to hand China the entire 21st century.
Prince Vaporware does it again!
I guess the high tarrifs on imported spandex has hampred Optimus rollout.
Truth is they’re not worse at hiding it. They’re not even trying to hide it now. They’re proud of it.
A ton of effort and talent in the US is also being wasted on crypto bullshit
That was my first thought. When I saw that "demo" I knew the whole thing was going to be BS
credit where credit is due
Cue Jim Cramer: “IT’S AN AI COMPANY THAT MAKES CARS WITH REALLY EXPENSIVE OVERHEAD THAT DOESN’T SELL CARS ANYMORE AND MAKES ROBOTS THAT AREN’T ACTUALLY SOLD, BUY BUY BUY!!!”
The Chinese also value stem education and engineering. America has been so anti-intellectual for so long they just can’t compete
It’ll be hilarious the first time one of these falls down a set of stairs, crushing the family’s dug, and then igniting the house.
China is run by high IQ engineers from Tsinghua University. The CCP wouldn't allow somebody like Trump to even join the party.
It would be a major achievement if the robots could actually do any useful work, and I doubt Tesla is there yet.
The robots that built the technology that you probably typed this out on absolutely have that dexterity. They're just $30k to millions of dollars and no one is thinking they'll be changing your baby's diapers. The running/backflipping robots are not Optimus (I don't think Optimus can run...it barely walks). They're from companies like Boston Dynamics for interacting with human environments (fitting inside houses and industrial settings). Think going into a collapsed/unstable building to perform rescues. Given competitors already mounted guns to their robotic dogs...military use cases as well. [https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/14/22726111/robot-dogs-with-guns-sword-international-ghost-robotics](https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/14/22726111/robot-dogs-with-guns-sword-international-ghost-robotics)
Need to make them look more like the robots in Mitchells vs. the Machines.
You need an additional robot to change the battery, oil the joints, and cool the first robot down. Additional sales!
Pauses no output is not pause, is it?
This could be the result of: Tesla don't do proper functionality, stress or lifecycle testing of sample units before signing supply contracts. So the product is built to spec it is just not a suitable product. Tesla don't do proper research on their suppliers and sign contracts with companies that have terrible QAQC. Tesla don't do QAQC audits on their suppliers to ensure good quality production. Tesla deviates design without analysing the impact on already defined spec parts and now they are being used outside of intended operating parameters that a part may have been perfectly fine for. There are plenty more possible issues. If this is a once off issue for a manufacturer like Tesla, you can put it down to bad luck. If it is something that happens regularly, it is a process issue with Tesla.
"Improved design functionality" Those things were barely able to pour a beverage using teleoperation. How were they doing anything meaningful without a human operator?
T$LA up by 15%?
It's the Tesla "rewrite from scratch" thing. Meaning, all the experts who worked on it have left and the latest batch of new college grads is taking over.
And stock goes up.....
That would be good news though. Doesn't the market do the opposite of what he says?
“Why the FUD? 600 trillion minimum!”-cathy wood
Mars? I thought their stainless silo thing is a STAR ship, not a mere planet express ship. Shouldn't they aim for Proxima Centauri instead, at a minimum?
Wow: "The robot is currently being tested in Tesla’s battery workshops, where its efficiency is reportedly less than half that of human workers."
They're advertising for a new dancer.
Just like in 2008... tons of people with phds in physics and math went to work on wall street and created the whole credit derivative swap crap. Not only was the talent moved away from something productive, but they were put to work on something destructive.
They should have the face of elmo on them, that would be better design,
The extra robots can drive the extra cybertrucks on Mars. He is working on the future, you see?
The robot is a massive failure? Stock up 10%!
Because it's vaporware. It's bullshit hype. Like Robotaxie, the cheaper 5th model car, the Semi, bullet proof glass in that disaster of a "truck", and the promise of AI products staying inside the publicly traded company. They have 4 models and the Cybertruck disaster. That's it. They aren't a car manufacture in any real sense, they are a brand company, and he fucked the brand. Spinning off the AI company should be reason enough for investors to flee from the company. It's doomed. Major manufactures across the planet are going to put their lights out eventuall.
They were really hoping to pawn off a few thousand of these unfinished pieces of shit to businesses looking to join in on the hype cycle. They were dreaming a sizzle reel of Optimus robots walking 8lb cases of Lays potato chips into the back of Tesla Semi. Something a guy with a pallet jack would finish in two minutes. Of course, it'd be a heavily edited video where the robots are single use and have to be removed out the front once the arms fail. Every video I've seen of their "training", these things are tethered with power/harnesses. Imagine spending $30k + subscription fees to have this thing half ass vacuuming your rug for 10 minutes before running out of battery before your Dyson does.
Less than 1/2 is a real fuzzy number. It makes it sound like they are making progress. It could be 3% and still be an accurate statement.
What output? That's all just smoke and mirrors.
It’s not equivalent levels of uselessness, because at least that money is real, and in that particular case, subprime loans were used to purchase homes by people with poor credit.
Homes which eventually ended up in Blackrock's hands and who then became landlords maximizing profit from renters who can't afford to buy. I consider what the banks did in 2008 to be far worse than what crypto has currently done. In fact, I'd argue that the only reason you have crypto is because of the 2008 crash. That said, crypto has the potential to be far worse than the 2008 crash in the long run.
Who could have possibly foreseen this!
That can't be true. I've been waiting so long for my ordered kitchen Swastimus.
His whole empire is falling apart. It is all the more fitting that his "friends" are helping.
You know they could make a lot of money if they just rented out dancing people in lycra suits that did house hold chores.
No, it’s much worse now, probably because the president is an outright con man and white collar criminal
Blackrock? You don’t know what you’re talking about Lehman Brothers was the biggest player and they went bankrupt because the home prices collapsed blackrock wasn’t involved https://www.fnlondon.com/amp/articles/blackrock-avoids-debt-damage-20070917
They sure could IF they were actually capable (they're not)
Or… and hear me out. The parts are fine… but the design is bad or the spec on the parts was wrong (AI hallucination anyone?)
Won’t have to worry about it because the idea any normal family will have one of these things (if they were ever even made available) is ludicrous. Even if they somehow made a robot that could do everything they promised and make it for under $5,000 that’s not going to be a priority for most of the country which will be fighting just to survive. Let’s be real if anyone mass produces robots it will be to replace humans not to help them do house work
okay, homes that ended up in hedge funds hands which blackrock then controlled by owning/investing in said hedge funds.
I’ll believe it once Tesla actually sells a robot for money. Until then, Optimus is only a pipe dream/concept and Tesla’s just a car company. Who’s suppose to buy these robots?!? Manufacturers or home consumers? Can it clean my house and make dinner? Optimus just looks like a fancier version of a high school robotics competition. Pretty useless to actually do anything useful.
Nah it’s the same today just faster. We live in the hawk tuah age now.
Beyond skynet needing physical avatars? The idea would be if a robot could do many of the physical tasks of human, even if really slow it would be a drop in replacement for human workers. The advantages to capitalists are numerous: 1. Long term cheaper than human workers. Even if they cost more than 20 dollars an hour to run. You don't have to have as many expensive mangers, HR people, lawyers, workers comp, cost of recruiting, bathrooms. What companies pay workers via what workers cost are to different things. 2. You can move them around the country as needed. No need to worry able people that can't move because of families or because they are human beings with their own lives. No holiday schedule planning. You need to move 2,000 robots to a warehouse in Rubberdick, New Jersey, for two weeks, you can just do it. 3. They have preference for shifts. Run a building 24-7. Or maybe shut down work when electricity is too expensive. Much more flexibility. 4. Don't have to worry about cost of living and commuting. You can put warehouses, factories anywhere. 5. Better negotiating power because you can just pick up your capital and move it from China to Nigeria, if Nigeria will give you better taxes. No need to worry about labor laws, bring skilled workers, everything is capital. Robots are the ultimate dream of capital dominating labor. Thankfully they don't work very well, otherwise it would destroy the economy since you'd see something like an additional 40% of the population out of work, not counting the coming AI layoffs at about 20%.
Who’s buying these things, what for, and what’s the price? Any spec sheet we can see?
Many people don't buy robot vacuum cleaners which are actually useful and cost a fraction of the price and Elmo expects people to waste money on this crap?
So it’s just another Cybertruck. Announce a million preorders to pump the stock. Soon to fill up warehouses near you.
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And you can order of up to a crew of 3 on your Robomaid app and they would arrive in a “self driving” Model Y. It will soon be a crew of 4 once the assistant driver is not needed. That’s probably another $1 Trillion of market cap right there.
Stock will still go up
We’re going to stop building those robots for now. You know, the ones we were never building anyway except as prototypes but said we would build a million a month or some shit. Yeah, those ones. Coincidentally, we’re hiring for our ‘tall dudes in robot suits’ program. The grift must go on.
I've been saying since Day 1 Optimus doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell without a generational leap in batteries. It needs a currently fictional mass production solid state battery with incredible longevity and fast charging
Nothing says perfect robot like a girl on stage in a robot suit. Someone posted a terrifying video yesterday of a Chinese robot running through trees that makes Optimus look like an older model vacuum cleaner.
+15% on Tesla stock incoming
But also anti-effort. Why spend years grinding at school and the lab to become great at STEM when you can snipe meme coins and retire at 25? Of course most people will fail at this, but our culture values extreme wealth so much that it’s often more honorable to be trying to get a lambo from mom’s basement than to have lifetime stable employment as an engineer.
Wasn't Dyson working on non-vacuum robots?
I love Tesler!
That "launch" event would've been the end of any normal, serious company.
Yep but it’s kind of fascinating how much of that is cultural. Like Jordan Belfort was a predator but the film about him made getting money no matter the cost look fun and glamorous, so many people took away from that that he was some kind of anti-hero. Sure, he did a couple years in jail, but now he flies in private jets with his young trophy wife and people pay him for motivational speaking. I feel like there was a time when people would be shunned for being scammers. Now it makes you a role model.
After it started inexplicably climbing again after the DOGE disaster and with nothing but bad news on the production/competition side it became increasingly clear to me that there's some kind of gaming of that stupid meme stock that is going on, probably colluding with his billionaire buddies is my guess.
Having worked for a few of Tesla's suppliers: 1 - Absolutely 2 - They generally depend on suppliers to let them know the minimum quality level that will work. 3 - Generally true 4 - Absolutely, again
Or you could just buy a $500 Roomba.
But then you wouldn't have a convenient murder robot spying on you all day long and the opportunity to trip and crush your dog. They have footage of it training to iron your clothes. Think of the possibilities.
And literally not one single person is in anyway surprised……
I wonder what the word robot means?
Also bear in mind that competently designed industrial automation will be absurdly more efficient than human workers, not less.
I'd get over my Musk hate to rent those people out. My place is a mess. Bring on the dancing lycra hoo-haws!
It's embarrasing how that project has been going. And still they manage to hype it somehow.
In terms of complex electronics manufacturing, 1200 units of anything isn't much when it comes to several rounds of development builds for each department, and I doubt they're complete units. To be fair, I don't know first hand for this type of product, but extrapolating from what I've worked on.
No that guy left.
Just 6 billion hours more training and I'm confident they're ready for release by the end of the year. (Optimus can do 5 minutes per day)
Maybe they can store them in unused cybertrucks
Yes I've seen the post
People are still buying Tesla stock and vehicles? Haven’t people noticed how shitty they are and that the stock is an empty hole. Tesla is a nazi company. Stop supporting Nazis.
Elon wants free labor. He thinks paying 20 an hour to absolutely destroy your body is worth it / fair. And even 20 for this hazardous work is too much in his greedy little beady eyes. Bro wants to scare his employees into thinking they could lose their jobs / ability to support their family at the drop of a hat.
This news should pump Tesla stock by anywhere between 10-15%.....
Buy them now then upgrade them later! Note: upgrading will be an additional cost, but you are already committed to this platform so tough tooties.
It was always like that. My biz partners and I run several firms honestly. Our competitors lie, cheat and steal to exponential profits. We refuse to operate like that so we deal with far less profits than our less ethical competitors. The reality we live in is pathetic and sad.
Ready in two week!
What if I tell you…we are now able to fix hardware over-the-air?
"Output" lol
If karma exists, justice will be served in one way or another. Thank you for your ethics.
You son of a mare, I’m in.
It's always been bad but dismantling regulation, minimizing penalties and so on just creates incentives for bad actors. Get caught, the penalty is less than the benefit. Don't get caught, become very rich. Get rich enough and the penalties don't even matter.
Anyone who took Optimus seriously as as an imminent product is a mark.
It's almost like the whole thing is a giant lie / scam to pump Tesla stock.
And thats the rub. Most easily automated tasks already have automation methods that are way faster than a human and also cheaper than constantly maintaining an overly complex robot.
But you’re being rational, Tesla investors have proven to not be.
Thank you. At least I can sleep at night knowing that each day I made an honest living.
Yes the same for me. I have a nice life but I said thank you to some opportunities that would have made me a lot of money which didn't fit to my moral values. Keep it up, I think there are more of us than we might think
Kudos to you as well kindred spirit. :)
You joke about that, but that’s actually the biggest problem: as expensive as humans are they will still be cheaper than humanoid robots once you consider upfront cost and constant repair. After all, if an employee gets hurt you can just get rid of them. There’s a big difference between humanoid robots and task specific robots. That difference is complexity. If you own a robot vacuum, then you know what I’m talking about. Even with a simple device it takes a lot of work to keep it running. If you increase the complicity, the repair time and expense increases too. It makes much more sense to develop task specific robots rather than a humanoid robot at this point.
Pauses. LOL. Fuck people Optimus is not a legitimate product in any way yet. We can build a robot in a human form with ease. Lots of companies do it. We can even program it to dance or walk or a very specific repetitive thing like stay balanced. We are a decade and more like decades away from having a humanoid type robot doing general work like mow a lawn and do the dishes. I say 'and' not 'or'. Cause you can sometime program it to do some really specific task but you are not getting it to walk in to a random house and have it do the dishes. And secondly. They have about a 10 minute battery life if you do an energy intensive task like dance. Walking robots are the least efficient type of robot you can build.
People see a dancing robot and think well if it can do a complex dance, it could wash the dishes. And maybe it could wash the dishes. If every house was exactly alike and all people had the same dishes and they spend enough time programming for that. The software is decades away from any time of intuitive type of thinking needed to do the simplest tasks at home. It is easy to build a robot with human shape. It is even easy to program it to stand upright and maintain balance. It is much hard to ensure it does not kill a baby (or adult) if it looses it balance and flails around. And it can not wash a single dish yet unless it was programmed in a very predictable way and every house/dish was identical.
I have one, there is not one single day where i don’t have to rescue it from some problem.
A lot of Chinese suppliers have been setting up manufacturing bases because they trust Tesla. The reputational hits should be qualified by analysts.
There's still a massive difference between the two, though. The Cybertruck is a terrible truck, yes, but it more or less works. It's stupid and impractical, but you can still drive it around. But for the Optimus robots, there's absolutely zero evidence that it has been used anywhere with non-negative productivity.If it did work, they would surely have shown it, but all we got are some very basic and limited demos that aren't even remotely close to what their competitors do.
Given that the whole thing is vaporware that makes sense.
I feel like Tesla is run out of a garage at this point. Gaslighting can only get you so far. Tesla did well because it got electric cars out there, then made a bonehead move by not making a cheap version during a bad economy. Instead made a trash can truck nobody wants. Then desperation lead them to the taxi brain fart and these bots.
Two months to redesign the robot? \*\*laughs in engineering\*\* $60,000 per unit? Three months ago Tesla was promising the robot for 30k.
Ah, but the soul of the machine remains constant. ^^^/s
The collapse of auto sales has dried up the source of cash flow needed to order parts to continue to build robots that nobody wants. They stopped paying influencers to ride in robotaxis in Austin so they all went home. And they are being sued for nonpayment of their electric bills at the Austin factory. Sounds like a real opportunity for clever investors. /s
Finally they did something right
My understanding is the one does not ‘join the CCP’…..they spot the young people in schools and bring them along.
It it could wash dishes they would have shown that, that is why they did the dance demonstration. For a bipedal robot it’s the first step.
Honda ASIMO circa the year 2000. They dropped the idea after a few years. Tesla has very low awareness of what has happened in the past.
And the wild part to that is how much with stable employment you can invest and probably afford that lambo if you really wanted it, and then realize you care more about investing it further than buying a negative ROI lambo. That lambo that costs you $200k could be used to generated another $50k if you don’t buy the lambo, etc.
*Technically* "less than half" can mean anything from 49.999... to -∞ (Also, why is it so hard to get a damn vinculum on Windows? I can't figure out how to get that to work)
Excellent observation. Less than half could be zero or 49.9999999999% and be factual.
Musk always has a fall guy. The ‘head’ of any Musk initiative will be fired after a year or two. Then he appoints a new guy and repeats. How many FSD heads have been fired or left. It’s like the “number two guys to Bib Laden” getting hit by missiles from drones.
Invited to join. About 80 million Chinese are members. But progress beyond the lowest levels is extremely competitive.
More overpromise, under deliver.
Pretty much always like that I think. Nowadays, people either dont care, too dumb, or greedy (tsla investors)
Do you know what this means? It means… that this damned thing doesn’t work *at all!*
Vaporware has paused vaporwaring?
>The original 2025 production target of 5,000 units is now unlikely to be met. In other news, water is wet and the pope is catholic.
So much for being ready
"output"
Humanoid is stupid for a factory.
Tesla's FSD guy wants to pause Optimus to fix problems. That doesn't sound good to me but somebody will send Tesla's stock soaring up.
Until it can mow the lawn walk the dog carry groceries from the car it’s utility other than an interesting toy is moot
>"Alongside corporate turbulence,[ Optimus](https://coincentral.com/tesla-lawsuit-robotics-trade-secret/) still faces unresolved engineering challenges. According to Tesla’s feedback to suppliers, the robot’s joints are prone to overheating, the dexterous hand mechanisms suffer from low durability, and its battery life remains inadequate for extended tasks. They love talking about the mechanical side of things. The real problem is that Optimus isn't even really a robot, it's an animatronic puppet. >The robot is currently being tested in Tesla’s battery workshops, where its efficiency is reportedly less than half that of human workers." Sounds like a lie. There's no way Optimus is doing anything in the factory other than pose for stock pumping videos.
It's just a lie. Optimus can't do shit.
I think that -- like with other Musk doubters -- you are missing the big picture here. Think positive! Think BIG! Remember, cybertrucks charging works both ways -- a charged truck can power a house, for example. Considering their unpopularity and Tesla's huge capacity to manufacture them, Tesla can easily assign one cybertruck per Optimus -- consider it a package deal. Just tether the robot to the truck, and the robot will be powered for hours and hours. Ideally, you'd want at least two robots per truck. The robot can help keep the truck in repair, and the 2nd robot can repair the 1st robot as needed -- and all using the truck's batteries. I feel confident in saying no other auto or robot manufacturer has a similar scheme. So... what seems like a weakness of robots will be a huge boon to cybertruck sales. (Quick - somebody point this out to Brighter with Herbert!) Of course this solution will only work in places where an Optimus can move around while tethered to a cybertruck. Mars, for example. So it's all really one big plan.
Believe it or not, "Optimus injures its owner...reason unknown" stock up 20%!
They were never really going to build 5,000 useless puppets, nor are the main problems of Optimus engineering issues like overheating joints. One of those articles that appears to be critical but is really just buying into Elon's bullshit.
Not even close.
I think it's way worse nowadays. So many lies.
Does this 'training' even do anything? They're still always remote controlled.
Bullish! All of human labor replaced before the end of the year.
Had me at first.
: ) Not easy being a satirist these days, when real headlines read like an issue of "The Onion."
That's how I run my business. I see my competitors doing shady things and getting away with it and even get rewarded by the clients they con but it all comes down to who you want to be and what you value. I value ethics and as such I try to live my life and run my business ethically.
Kudos to you, I'm happy to see there are still some of us who do business this way.
Figure’s Brett was concerned about the durability of a cable system for the hands. There is no perfect material that won’t stretch/deform over time which will throw all of their calculations off. Figure designed their own original hands that are gear driven so they didn’t have those issues. Scott walker also recently talked about how Tesla chose to use a combination of linear and rotational actuators while Figure went 100% rotational for simplicity. It complicated Teslas calculations for movement on their bot which put them behind. In addition Tesla needs planetary gears for their linear actuators which are a supply bottleneck because there aren’t many companies that make them and are time consuming to produce.
Figure is already running their robots for days in a UPS and a BMW plant. Production and hardware is largely solved, cost is solved, and they’ve shown hour long video of their robot in action.
What output?
Meanwhile there are many, many non-humanoid robots designed for specific tasks that perform virtually error-free. I have a mop with a bucket for a head that I call “Optimus”
Ummm. . . THEY ALREADY HAVE THAT!!!!! It’s ridiculous to try to engineer a robot that mimics all the intricacies of the human form when you can create something far easier that’s task-specific and does the job of several human workers. The industrial sector has been using them for years. I think this whole project stems from Elmo’s desire to build a robot friend for himself.
Yes, factories already have human labor.
It’s clear from elmo’s career that he’s never had a job where he was “a worker among workers” on the front lines of selling products to clients. If he had, he’d know from experience (although he SHOULD know anyway), that you don’t over- promise and under-deliver. Rather, you make honest & reasonable claims that speak to your customer’s needs in your sales pitch. Then you over-deliver with quality & customer service, to the delight of the client. THAT is how you get real, sustainable growth.
Yeah of course. It's just so dumb, the whole point of industrial automation is building things that do one job really well really quickly and really reliably.
I read from Taiwan reports that Tesla has halt Taiwan factory that produced Optimus Robot due to unsolved hardware problem. In short, robot would overheat and the movement of arms, legs or hands became unstable, violent and unpredictable. The key word is "not solvable" for the current production. They need to overhaul the design.
Hey, don't bad mouth the Greendale Human Being they're trying their best!
I think he's saying that Black Rock came out the other end having bought up those assets in the post 2008 world, not that they were a big player in the crash itself.
Ironically, I'd our problem as a country is that we devalued the humanities while at the same time only valuing STEM for its outcomes. This created multiple generations that don't really have a large cohort that really *understands* the civic structure of a healthy society AND a technical class that is, frankly, deeply disinterested in the consequences of their work. One of the most alarming things I remember in my engineering undergrad courses was how often other students were unbothered by not actually understanding the material, just so long as they could answer the likely test questions by wrote. Now to be fair, nobody really expects an undergrad engineering student to fully master multiple complex engineering disciplines or be able to re-derived system dynamics from first principles. But the complete *lack* of curiosity in what is supposed to be a professional degree was, IMO, eye opening.
Honestly, if it can effectively do house chores, even if it’s more slowly than a human, then it would be regarded as a success. But I believe the problem is that it can’t actually do house chores, at least no effectively enough to be useful. The technology is simply not there yet, in many different areas.
Hopium is a hell of a drug for a new hire
“Two weeks” I think should suffice to iron all these minor issues.
Seriously, that's about the leadtime on fabricating/assembling a single complex PCB. Road-test alone takes months and qualifications can take quarters. ATE solutions take months to design and months to validate, and they are specific. And then you'll STILL find bugs and QA problems at production. This shit is clearly fake as fuck to anyone who has worked in hardware engineering for production environments.
Not just that. Humanoid robot in general just don't make a lot of sense for most factory processes. Heck, *robots* don't add a lot to many factor processes. Unless you count any factory automation at all as a form of robot. Which, to be fair, you could. "A robot is more flexible!" sounds great until you realize that you don't really need flexibility. You need a machine the size of a minivan that can fold 15,000 little cardboard boxes an hour. And do it nonstop for weeks.
The Halcyon days of the 90s to mid 10s consumer technology was advancing at a healthy clip that helped to hide the incompetence. I suspect a lot of the silicon valley types were *always* pretty bad at business but got where they are today on first mover advantage and the power of digital technology. And now they're too big to fail.
"""So Elon conned the leaders of America (as did the mag6 with AI) into believing that AI could be Americas salvation and what keeps them on top for another generation.""" This has become my opinion of AI as well. You see it with the fact that tech is grooming Democrats with the 'abundance agenda' in the event that they do manage to claw back power so that they'll have a seat at the table either way. On some level, I understand it. In a time of complete political dysfunction, Silicon Valley is offering an 'easy' way out. A way to make it the 90s again.
ASIMO, at least, had a reason to exist. It was a research platform to examine the challenges and test the viability of humanoid robots. As you say, it was dropped when the problems were proven to be too much for the technology of the time. But it wasn't entirely absurd to toss some R&D money at the problem. Likewise, Boston Dynamic's shows off their fancy humanoid robots, but realistically, those are more like glorified advertising and test beds for technologies that they implement in their more mundane commercial products.
Exactly, the article validates Elon's lies while appearing to be critical.
So, calls on Monday then. I'm expecting at least 10% up.
Not only that, but you can always use computing power. So if AI flops, the computing power can still be used for other things. If I were to be cynical, the NSA couldn't justify tens of billions in computing power that it doesn't need. But if the private sector built up all that power and then didn't need it, the NSA could then use it to "protect" us by "monitoring" us with greater capacity. Like monitoring emails and phone calls is one thing, but monitoring video feeds and having a computer analyze them real-time, would require AI-level computing power.
It is dumb ... Their robot, by design, has no future in the industry market where a robot made for a single task will be always cheaper, easier to maintain and more productive than a humanoid shaped robot. Which leaves them with the consumer market, a very small and tiny market which is very much far away from being technically solved (maid tasks are non trivial) and very few customers (healthy tech-bros)
Who are the customers? What practical applications can't be done with cheaper automation?
* The original 2025 production target of 5,000 units is now unlikely to be met. It was never intended to be met. What would have produced, 5000 barely walking scrap machines?
People really believed this robot bs?
Less than half a human worker is pretty damn Amazon. That less than is doing a tonnnnn of work.
This is what I’ve been saving forever. Humanoid robots are nothing but a sci-fi fantasy. Not because they are impossible but because they are impractical at most problems as there are better solutions. An impractical product will never be useful even in the extreme future - because why would it if something better or safer exist. Flying cars, rocket based international travel, trains in hyperloops, long term living on mars. These things might be possible - but they are impractical and therefore will never be mass produced. In a factory setting you want the most efficient form factor possible. The human form factor is useful for generic tasks - which is great for humans who need to perform generic tasks but businesses who want robots have specific tasks better performed by anything else. There are of course “uses” for human form factor robots. It’s like playing a game - the min / max character will win out everytime at any specific task where as the generic middle character would be best at completing the entire game as you need to be capable of handling any situation. But if you could just switch characters and builds for your specific needs you’d never run the jack of all trades character.
It doesn't matter. You have to start somewhere. Comments here are hilarious. I'm old enough to remember people saying the same things about just about every new tech that started out. You start one, then you build on it, one iteration after another. Does anyone remember how many times Nvidia failed with their chips? One failure after another. People then were calling it a sham company that could never do what it set out to do. Even when it finally "succeeded," it was no where near what it is today. We live in a short sighted society today -- that's the effect of tech and social media and a barrage of news being shit out every second. But that's not the way invention and innovation work, sorry to say. You'll get your Tesla robot, you just need to be patient. And if money is tight, don't buy the first version, or the second. How much different is the iphone 12 from the iphone 17? They claim all these differences, but in reality it's not much different at all when you use common sense. These robots will be the same. Substantial improvements every year, and then will start tapering off.
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