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Sad FSD hwd 3 noises

Joke’s on them. I live in Europe.

Yessssss

Stop turning right on “no turn on red” signs, that’s my 1 request

Where’s Grok?

Yes! As someone living in NJ this is the only consistent issue that bugs me

I haven’t used FSD in a year. At least TACC holds your speed.

No you won’t 😂

Just drive the speed I set, please.

Stop changing lanes so much for no reason

What I would give to just get the option back to limit lane changes. My FSD usage dropped by probably 75% since that has been taken away.

Trump/Epstein are pedos.

Can not wait . I would like can park in the driveway and drop me off in the market and go find the parking

It’s funny because I want sort of the opposite. In Illinois we have double right turn lanes, the the further right of the two is allowed to turn right on red. So “No turn on red except from the far right lane”. But FSD won’t prioritize the right lane. So you’ll sit there alone in the left of the two lanes sometimes when I could have turned right on red, legally.

Avoid potholes/manhole covers is mine.

whatever the last update was tanked it. hopefully this fixes it

Where the hell is grok.

Id love to know if we are actually going to get HW4 upgrade, and if so, when.

I'll do you one better: Why is Grok?

I changed my FSD to Chill mode and it solved this problem completely. FSD is much more enjoyable now.

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Have the biggest freaking potholes in my state and I hate using it around town for that reason.

I’d also like “no left turn” and “do not enter”. And I’d like FSD to follow navigation and stop missing highway exits. And not run red lights.

Really? I tried that and it just seemed to drive slower as it changed lanes every 4 milliseconds.

Might be worth trying it again. Frequency in lane change made me not sure my FSD that often. Chill mode, for me anyway, is a huge difference. 2021 model 3 btw

Who is Grok?

Don't run a red light after stopping at it is my request

But no unsupervised yet?

HW3 owners are definitely getting a hardware upgrade for FSD. Elon has confirmed on earnings calls. Eagerly waiting to hear when, too… My 2018 m3 is fully paid off, runs perfectly, and still looks like new. Have no reason financially or environmentally to upgrade right now.

How about the school zones…

A significant change, like a full step up on a ladder, rather than a small incremental improvement.

Same for my 2021... Besides looks new 😭 some ass hat dinged the shit out dinky door at Costco and the cheap plastic around the seat broke the first month I got it. I need to figure out how to fix that. Super annoying.

Your Tesla just wants you to rest _completely assured_ that it sees each and every single pothole, which you can tell because it aims right for them. _For your comfort!_

Chill is very enjoyable. Today, I wanted to pass a line of cars I was behind in slow lane and switched to standard. FSD moved over to pass then went into far left lane, then middle lane, then back into left lane within 10 seconds with nobody in front and cars in left lane approaching. Will be using turn signal stalk for that next time.

I just changed is back to auto steer. Got a. 22 MS and 15k vaperware pretty much. FSD Is annoying and more naggy than a back seat driver wife.

Same. I have a portion of my commute that I have to manually drive.

Why don’t you just accelerate. It is supervised. You can also initiate lane changes while using FSD. Be one with the robot.

you'll have to sit in the passenger seat instead. :)

It might not be HW5 though. My guess is Tesla waits until FSD is “solved” and uses an adaption of that HW so they only have to do it once.

This is the single reason I defeat my autopilot.

Translation: prepare for your car to brick.

It’s legal in Austin, which shocked me as I’ve been here 25 years.

That works in Austin already. I assume it’s a mapping update.

It changes into empty lanes right before “lane ends” type of signs. that And driving under the speed limit when there is no lead car are the biggest annoyances.

Finding a parking spot is called banish, and it’s been promised forever

I want to double lane turn with confidence. And not yield to speeders coming up behind me on residential streets.

…..except for HW3…….

This thread immediately turned into a bitch fest lol

That's map data based and they've corrected several that I've aborted autopilot for.

I'd expect it around 2032. Upgrading HW3 vehicles hurts the bottom line. They're hoping you'll upgrade to a HW4 or HW5 car instead.

Pretend you're in an Uber where that's not up to you. You'll get safely to your destination up to two minutes later, but relaxed.

Do any of the self-driving systems avoid potholes yet?

Yes. I might be the only one excited for it.

*unless you have HW3, then you are screwed and don’t get the updates, even though you paid for them.

100%. I can’t stand how it won’t let me pick the speed I want on the highway. I stopped using FSD because of this which is sad.

Dude this.

This, and slow for school zones when kids present

yeah I turned off fsd and just use autopilot because it refuses to keep up with traffic been broken since February max speed "upgrade"

Give me the option to minimal lane change again, would be nice.

no, the car is a hazard on highways with fsd not keeping up with traffic

I unsubscribed today. It kept turning into the wrong lane near my house. It still doesn't understand lanes!? Ill stick with Basic AP.

Agreed. This and yearning to ride the left lane are the biggest complaints of FSD for me.

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Same. I got sick and tired of the car falling further and further back behind the car in front. It's frustrating and uncomfortable and isn't worth the stress.

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Please also fix the wipers.

In this context, a marketing buzzword.

Please update standard AP so I can manually change lanes without the disengaging / reengaging dance. Every other manufacturer standard cruise control has that now. Lane keep automatically disables when you signal and engages automatically when in the new lane.

FSD isn’t available in Germany, so no. I’m guessing you’re talking about AP which hasn’t been updated in years at this point?

True, but what does that have to do with any of this?

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Auto wipers are ultimately the one thing above all else that prove Musk is just a stubborn hot mess.

We need to be able to give actual feedback to Tesla. This is how edge cases are resolved. I don't have confidence they read their emails anymore.

No thanks, fix the current code from being too aggressive instead.

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But don’t swerve to avoid the skid marks. That one has been driving me crazy

Can we make it not avoid things like that? I honestly don't mind taking over for the occasional pothole, but HW3 avoids shadows like they're instant death. Like I get HW3 will never be "FSD", but it was much more useful and convenient before I had to apply accelerator input at every dark patch on the road.

have accurate map data for speed limits is mine. even cheap stand alone nav systems have better data at times. FSD is useless if it lands me a ticket because it doesn't have accurate data for roads whose speeds have never changed. and don't get me started on how often is ignores actual signs especially if they occur soon after the turn onto the new road

Leaving mine in standard fixes this for me. Hurry will ride the left lane though.

I’d rather wait for hw5

Upgrade my HW3!

I got roasted for saying my Tesla did this exact thing when they announced the robotaxi rollout. Lol

Tap the accelerator to tell it to pick it up? Works great for me.

Let’s have an option to keep up with the car in front up to 85mph. Be able to use grok to skip a turn or use same route every time unless heavy traffic. And stop trying to go into upcoming traffic!

2 days before disastrous earnings report. Gotta pump the stock lol

7 hours of driving in places I’ve never driven the Tesla a few weekends ago, 2 interventions needed. One was it choosing oncoming head on traffic instead of driving over skid marks, the other was extreme phantom breaking due to skid marks requiring me to take control to not stop on an interstate.

Stop slamming on the damn breaks. That'll be neat.

Bullshit. I drove 10 hours to PA and back, M-W this past week. My CT changed lanes without signals, once made a drastic last second lane change to an off ramp w/o signal (also once in a similar layout in a shopping center lot.), refused to every move right when fast vehicles are behind, refused to change lanes when I told it to, changed lanes to pass on the right when the damn right lane was closing (I cancelled the blinker but it doesn’t care). Robotaxi my ass. I am a shareholder and will continue to be but my CT has a feature to park itself in designated spots yet FSD won’t even park me at a supercharger. Sorry this is just the fresh feedback but sorry for venting.

Can we use it in the rain yet?

How about windshield wipers that work reliably? I've been waiting since 2019.

they should use a front bumper camera to check for road smoothness

I never have this problem. Set to 40% threshold and a max of like 83 . Always goes with flow of traffic

Thanks, I'm going to try that!

Even though he said that, that’s far from a guarantee . Elon says a lot of stuff that is total BS. I have a HW3 computer and I will be honestly surprised if I’m ever offered hardware grade.

Mine cuts people off in the left lane in Chill.

Because then it’s making an illegal turn. If it prioritizes being in the further right of the two right turn lanes, then problem solved. I also disengage when this happens so I can give a proper voice recording explanation to help.

I had to turn off FSD because of this. I can’t believe we’ve been stuck with such a terrible forced feature for so long. But of course, they have a history of trying to push automatic features way too early where we get to suffer because of it.

I just really need the ability to stay in a lane without it changing on its own. It’s not good enough to know the lanes yet, but of course, if they give us the future, then people will turn it on and they won’t get the data that they need, I’m convinced that’s the reason they took it away from us. At the very least, if I’m in a lane and it tries to change, but I stop it, that should be enough and it shouldn’t keep trying to change every few seconds. Very often I need to be in the far right lane of a freeway because every road in every city is different, but it simply won’t stay in the left or right lane consistentlyand it’s mind-boggling frustrating

Stop constantly trying to change lanes.

Pumping again

Yeah, I never mentioned HW5 for specifically those same reasons. All i know is we are \*guaranteed\* getting an upgrade from HW3 at some point

Made no difference for me. 2021 M3P.

I've already gone from HW2 -> HW3 for free. On an earnings call, he's legally obligated too, after making statements like that. So at worst, we'll get our money back if Tesla fails to deliver.

I had to switch mine from hurry to standard because of this.

I don't understand sentiment like this. It's a computer like any other and destined to eventually become obsolete. 3 continues to receive new features/fixes/updates to this day, which is quite a bit longer than most products are supported. I have a HW3 car and would love it to never stop evolving but that's simply not the nature of this type of device. Nor am I angry my A100 gets whipped by the H100 or that my Cessna hasn't been offered a thrust vector bolt-on.

As you're pulling up to the light, use the turn signal to force the car into the far right lane. Then it will make a legal turn. I have the opposite problem, the far right lane is for the freeway onramp only, the second lane is for not going on the freeway. My car always wants to go in the far right lane, I force it into the second lane.

"👀"

Why do we post these? I don’t feel like anything he ever says comes to fruition in the way he says it will

The problem is that we were promised the eventual performance, and made large financial decisions accordingly. If Tesla had said that seven years after launch, the car wouldn't be able to drive itself, I'm sure many fewer buyers would have opted for FSD.

The issue comes from their promise that it would be self driving guaranteed An NVIDIA 3090 didn’t promise to run a 2026 AAA title, so people were content and didn’t get upset But if it had the same guarantee then they’d be just as upset

Mine camps the left lane like crazy on certain roads in normal, and thinks about it frequently even in Chill. It wasn't always like that, either.

I’m excited about the update. Reddit is a lonely place when you’re not being negative about everything

Shit is so scary. Always a police car behind me too

I test drove a MY and was impressed with FSD and also annoyed it wanted to go out the one way road into the hotel parking lot which was marked with a do not enter sign. Tried it multiple times and each time that’s how it tried to exit the lot. Is that common?

If humans can avoid bumps and successfully differentiate them from shadows, FSD should be able to as well.

I agree. But it seems HW3 might not have the resolution or software attention to do so. If it's going to be left behind, I'd rather it be left in its peak functional state and not trying to do things it might never be capable of excelling at.

Just wait until the school season starts. Random 25mph zones and stopping for busses.

My friend keeps trying to tell me the car randomly changing speed and speeding or driving stupidly slow is fine and its to emulate drivers. Like I watched it go 60 in a 35. then do 60 in a 75 for a while still... Try emulating a competent driver vs the trash drivers it is trying to copy. Danm car passes people, gets in front of them, then slows down to slower then it was before it passed them. Danm thing is trained by a shit tier BMW driver!

Sure it will bud

nope. it starts slowing back down as soon as I let off.

Exactly. I paid $10k for this, and it's not even here yet. I suspect they will wrangle their way out of it by allowing FSDs to newer vehicles.

Finally no timeline. He’s learning.

Bring back "avoid lane changes" even in Hurry mode, I like the speed and the urgency of Hurry but I hate how aggressive it is with lane changes anything 0.5 miles or more from my exit. It gets itself into situations where it stays in the furthest left lane until a half mile before my exit and then tries to do 2-4 lane changes last second

Unless of course you have HW3. If you have HW3, go ahead and get bent.

<rant> Probably said already by everyone else, FSD really needs to: Avoid potholes (tires on the M3P aren't cheap...) actually avoid road debris in general (it almost slammed into debris that would have seriously messed up the car), stop randomly phantom breaking, speed up and drive a consistent speed on an otherwise empty road, stop aggressively passing on the highway on standard mode (going to get me a speeding ticket), stop changing lanes into a lane that's imminently ending, observe work zone and school zone speed limits (really going to get me a speeding ticket someday....), allow setting preferential nav routes (wants to route me to work every single day through multiple busy school zones with their associated traffic and reduced speed limits) that's all for now I'll eta more later when I think of more </rant>

The problem isn't really that hw3 isn't as capable, the problem is that they lie and tell us even HW3 will support unsupervised FSD with just a software upgrade, then when they finally admit they lie, they tell us they will upgrade HW3 for free which we know is BS as well. If they ever offer the upgrade, they're going to drag it out as long as they possibly can until most of us have moved on to newer cars.

I’m just waiting for the class action payout

Avoiding unprotected lefts would be great

FSD works pretty well for me, but NAV sure doesn’t. Give us the ability roadblock and record frequently manually driven routes!

I cancelled FSD after it repeatedly drove 50 in a 30 with no cars around while DISPLAYING “30” as the speed limit. Scrolling down on the wheel should tell the car to slow down, but it doesn’t. Two other fatal usability flaws: - egregious speeding in school zones - will roll through stop signs when the perpendicular direction doesn’t have a stop sign (nearly caused a couple crashes) but waits FOREVER at 4 way stops with no other cars present.

No. It will regularly speed over the speed you set too. I’ve complained about this since forever

Okay, that helps me better understand. The only thing I would add is Tesla is not the first and definitely not the last technology company to make promises they are later unable to keep. Virtually every new model of an existing line, from gpus to laundry detergent, make claims that never materialize. We shrug off most of those because the claims made are usually *far less grandiose* than what Tesla said about FSD. What's fascinating is that anyone believed them. If my new card performs worse in a title than my old card but nvidia says hang tight we're gonna release new drivers to fix that, I'm apt to roll with it because it's not an outlandish promise. If I'm looking at a new car with lane-keeping and the salesperson says it's just lane-keeping now but in no time this same car will drive itself better than any human, that's outlandish as hell and I'm not going to lay out twelve grand or whatever it was hoping it comes true. I like that I can hop on and off for $100. The whole thing probably should have been subscription-based from the beginning.

Turning right in 0.5 miles? Better get OUT of the empty right lane into the left lane that’s clogged full of cars, then come to a complete stop to try to get back over right before the turn. Truly awe inspiring tech.

And people like me who bought two teslas at their peak price with FSD at $12k each just months before HW4 came out.

Doesn't make false advertising acceptable.

> I paid $10k for this I hear you! I'd be pissed, too. But I think you own some of the blame yourself for letting them extract an extra ten grand based on a pretty outlandish promise. See the second paragraph of [my reply](https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/1m51kw8/_/n49ui2m/) to another comment above.

Blah blah.. Blah... Blah blah blah Another hype delay is coming, same as Grok

Some FSD love for RHD cars would be nice also

We paid for “Full Self Driving” and they haven’t delivered the feature yet. It was supposed to be like a year out when I forked over $10k for it. Now it’s years later, not yet delivered, and now not even getting updates that get us closer to the feature we paid for….

It sure doesn't! But it is also debatable if this counts as false advertising. At the time the promises were made, were they outright lying or very confident they could deliver? Can either be proven? It's similar to how unlikely I am to win a suit against a newspaper for something they published about me when every diligence tool available to them at the time indicated the information was sound.

It leaves you with skid marks?

Really? I’m in NJ and almost never see them. I have one coming out of my neighborhood on the way to work and that’s about the only one I know of and I’ve been all over South and Central Jersey.

There is this one stop sign it consistently ignores and enters a 55mph road. Scary and ticket magnet!

They made some outlandish promises, got $24k more out of you, and largely failed to deliver. That's a good chunk of change and you're right to be upset about it. Yet these things will continue to happen in the future, continue to lighten your wallet for nothing, if you are unable to acknowledge your own culpability. We're all pissed when we get scammed. We don't like to talk about how we got tricked. But it's the only way to avoid it happening again.

In in Central Jersey and they are everywhere. I encounter 4 going to work everyday

That’s the problem with cameras instead of LIDAR

All that use LIDAR instead of cameras. So just not Tesla.

I tried using FSD with bikes on a hitch mount and in under 55mph zones it would slow dramatically to below the speed limit.

HW4 already does that.

Humans don’t have LiDAR.

LiDAR doesn’t avoid potholes. Lol

Model S and X already do that.

I would bet you are completely wrong in that. Waymo does not even slow down for a speed bump if it is not premapped. We have clear evidence of waymo hitting sharp speed bumps at hilariously fast speeds like 25-30mph Waymo wheels look notoriously curbed and beaten up. I would bet waymo is premapping potholes Lidar is not as high of a resolution as you think it is. Waymo has problems hitting chains just like tesla does. And in rain or something like that the lidar can be distorted to the point that a pothole may not be clearly seen In a big city there aren't really that many potholes that would cause you significant damage to hit them.

Sure sure, no doubt.

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Same.

Everyone is getting a safety monitor for the passenger seat?

I wonder if we'll see a price drop too - 10k is too much

cool

Wow! You should call Tesla, I’m sure they’ll offer you a senior engineer position with that kind of knowledge. Maybe then FSD will be as good as Mercedes Drive Pilot

Yeah and I know I can prompt it, but for me it’s more about helping fix the problem. So I disengage to record

Every time I put a dummy of a kid in front of it, it mows them down. This has to stop!

Exactly

I agree, just a one a one and done kinda thing. My thing is just keep us up to date more frequently

My FSD V13 slows down perfectly at speed bumps.

V13 with 3000+ miles has never run a red light.

I just completed a 2000-mile road trip in my M3 Highland.. In chill, it stayed in the right lane 99% of the time.

Musk has often said things that are financially illegal and the SEC either ignores it or he gets a light slap on the wrist. I really don't think saying this on an earnings call will have any consequences if he fails to deliver, especially with the current legal climate.

You had some sort of defective hardware.

2000 mile trip on chill. I hardly ever changed lanes. Sat in the right 99% of the time.

Peasants

If be fine with this if it would just get the appropriate lane earlier instead of waiting until . 3mi before ever doing anything.

Not coming anytime soon I’d imagine.

Works for me..Doesn't slow down either.

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V13 keeps lanes perfectly.

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Hold on to your door handles guys

I get you, but none of those examples cost over $10k at any point Now if you bought a house that was supposed to keep the rain out and the water kept leaking through the ceiling and you shrugged then I guess that’d be similar But with a purchase that big most people would complain vs the smaller purchases

So will the new FSD be able to keep to the speed limit set or will it still drive like a 120 year old grandma?

Not mine lol

well, set a speed that makes sense to drive at. at some point, it’s not “full self-driving” if you’re picking the speed and not the *pace*

I don’t think he understands what “step change” means

Pump baby pump! My TSLA calls need to be pumped.

It’s been 84 years

That and setting the following distance. The car is so aggressive now it’s frustrating.

Mine hasn’t slowed down or stopped for dark spots on the road.

I thought that kind of shit talking the cars isn’t allowed here.

Or Hw6+. Who knows

Forgot about this! Need this back agreed!

Theeerrrreeee you are. The skeptical negative nanacies are far down the comment thread. Everything is horrible. Elon bad. We get it!

You are what you comment

>they tell us they will upgrade HW3 for free which we know is BS as well Why do "we" know that? They have done it before with previous HW versions. IT seems more like you have an axe to grind rather than trying to evaluate the situation objectively. I can at least understand critiques about the assurances that FSD was right around the corner. This doesn't appear to be a lie as much as underestimating how many tech horizons they still had to reach, but at least I get the critique. You just seem to be bitter.

honestly my number one would be tweaking the left turn timing. It’s perhaps mathematically figuring it out on when to accelerate to not hit the car coming in my direction. But I’d be way more comfortable with an additional half second or second after it passes. I don’t need mathematical precision. It’s the only thing that causes me anxiety. Everything else I’m eh about.

Sounds like auto pilot and not fsd. Doubt that’s getting an upgrade.

What he describes is not normal FSD V13 behavior. I love my 2025 Highland.

Yeah cruised the West Coast from NorCal to WA a month ago, similar experience - Chill was pretty well behaved, kept right, and responded well to use of turn-signals to trigger corrective behavior.

English isn't my first language. Does he really mean "step" or should it be "steep"?

Yeah, can we just have FSD on HW3, as it was promised when we bought the car 6 years ago?

Depends on when you need a car. I don’t need a new one right now, so it makes no sense to buy hw4 at the end of a cycle when hw5 is only months away.

I am Groot.

The situation for those of us who purchased cars with HW3 with FSD needs to be addressed, either with a replacement (as Musk alluded to, and which is likely very low priority) OR with a worthwhile discount on a new car, including transferred FSD. I would expect - given mounting inventories - the latter might be a better option, increase brand loyalty, etc.

Mine has been doing this more often

This is why I use TACC more often than FSD.

Only problem with Chill is the speed it will actually go vs what you would like it to go. When it starts going below the speed limit, I have issues with that. My car has Torreto, Indecisive, and Grandma. It's a '26 MY.

As I interpret Elon’s tweet, he specifically refers to the production line. That’s a key detail. Production lines are for building cars — meaning changes in hardware or design, not just software updates. If it were only about a software upgrade, he would’ve said so directly, and current HW4 vehicles would benefit from it. But by stating that they’re integrating upgrades from the Austin robotaxi build into the general production release, he implies there’s something physically changing in new Teslas — possibly HW5 or a new sensor layout. That also means: these are vehicles not yet on the market. So current HW4 cars likely won’t benefit from this “step change” the way upcoming models will.

You don't think the name alone of "Full Self Driving" is fucking misleading?

They'll upgrade when a class action lawsuit would cost more.

Because elon promised that all cars sold at the time would be capable of fsd. He promise coast to coast without intervention. He promised this "by the end of the year". There was no concept of hardware limitations when fsd beta was introduced.  Now, much of elons wealth is from these undelivered promises. He advertised as CEO that hw3 was capable in order to sell his cars.

Dude it’s okay, you can take Elon’s balls out of your mouth. I sure hope Tesla’s PR department is paying you for your comments here…

I want a slider for follow distance and braking profile. I’ve disengaged FSD about four hundred times with feedback that the car is braking too late and too hard.

You guys. When I got my first Model 3 in 2018, my autopilot was pretty good. Then, like a year later, it started having such shitty herky jerky motions; phantom breaking, big mistakes, turning me into walls and medians. I haven’t felt safe using it since. I see all this FSD improvement stuff and I just can’t believe it enough to trust it. Is autopilot engine fundamentally different than whatever powers FSD? Just don’t wanna die for the novelty of saying my car can drive itself and I don’t trust Elon bullshit hype.

Getting in a lane that’s about to end and not getting over is my biggest issue

Same on my recent road trip. Chill was right lane, Standard was middle but will pass if going too slow, Hurry it camped the left lane unless someone was barrelling up from behind.

My issue is on main roads where I can't select different modes. It's changing lanes constantly and doesn't give me the option for driving mode. And on the interstate with chill mode it hugs the right lane, goes at or below the speed limit and never passes slower cars. I generally use the middle option though I don't remember what it's called off the top of my head

Man come on you can’t be serious. It’s straight up false advertisement and a scam. It’s been going on like this since 2016

My wife's Model 3 has a number of stone chips now from it always following too close :(

FSD doesn’t have that? That’s crazy considering AP does have it

I went back to regular auto pilot after getting so frustrated with the auto speed set. It's terrible

The speed control issue alone makes me want to go back to regular autopilot half the time. Nothing more frustrating than setting it to 75 on the highway and watching it crawl at 65 while everyone passes you, then randomly decide to do 80 in a 70 construction zone. I just want the car to respect the speed I actually set instead of playing guessing games with what it thinks traffic flow should be. Fix that basic functionality before adding more complexity

Most of the faults mentioned in this thread are normal to my fsd in my hw4 car, so you might just be the outlier who does not get these bonus chances for disengagement of the system.

Agreed it’s crazy, but that is unfortunately quite on brand.

Ive found that putting it in "Hurry" doesn't make it overly aggressive but it does decrease lane changes (and it'll sit happy in the right lane if there is nobody ahead of you)

I have not encountered this yet.

My problem with "Hurry" is it will try to pass in the right lane even when it is clearly not a good idea. It will also try to pass when there is like .6 miles left to my exit in heavy traffic.

It seems to have to rhyme or reason to the speed it picks, the road outside my house is 35 and it does 20?? Speed limit is 55 and it will do 70, speed limit is 70 and it is doing 68??? I really miss the time when you could set fixed offsets.

I see my car behave differently in hurry. It has a bias to be in the left lane come what may. It’s obnoxious.

I doubt it. I haven't heard them talk about it in like a year. That said, it does seem like the robo taxi parks itself in parking spots, at least sometimes, when it gets to the destination, so it seems like most of it is there.

"It’s like I bought an expensive concert ticket, only to find out that when I get to the venue, suddenly everyone’s getting in for free—and honestly, I don’t even really like the music that much." Like friends of mine. Bought boring Santana tickets expensively and should have slept in a chair. They wanted to sell them and get rid of them but nobody was interested. Taxi is no gamechanger. Except, you need only 10 % as many cars bc they are of multiple use. EV driving is quite fun but first you get used to it and second, it limits the freedom (range, winter, charging) where a car should provide independancy primarily.

How about the ability for me to set a speed and it actually follow my directions. You can set the upper limit of the speed limit but in my experience on a wide open freeway, it never even gets close to it. Speed limit was 65 with no cars even remotely in front of me and it was going 67. If I press the accelerator until I hit 72, it would immediately decelerate again once I lifted my foot. Such a stupid behavior.

So wait. Im hearing you say that a company can sell you on a service/product, and they dont need to actually give you that product, but merely "attempt" to give it to you?  And because any given company may do the same in the future, you are actually the one at fault for being gullible. You don't have a cohesive argument. There's either two things happening - 1 - Hw3 got scammed and hw4 get what was promised all along. Or (likely 2) - hw4 is being scammed but doesn't realize it yet. I'll circle back around when the cars that people bought because of the cool capabilities promised in hw4 gets the same bad news as hw3.

Ironically Tesla eliminated their entire PR department five years ago.

Its completely fine for me, even in hurry mode. If I dont want aggressive driving I just set it to standard or in rare cases chill mode.

But using "max speed" is basically impossible due to its poor sign reading. On the interstate it will slam on the brakes down to 45mph when it sees a sign that says "Minimum 45" or a lower speed limit for heavy trucks. On city streets it randomly thinks it's in a 15mph zone (???) but will go nearly 50mph in well marked school zones.

It absolutely is normal if you peruse any of the forums on the topic. I don't have a Highland Model Y but neither do.... millions of other Tesla/FSD users.

I’m pretty sure at this point, the people who don’t care about aggressive driving or who are overly aggressive behind the wheel see it as fine, and people who are more cautious and prefer to leave more space are left to disable fsd/overly manage the system. The settings to manage it better used to be there, but were taken out, and I think that is why the complaint is so common in any of these threads. It’s a shame, as I’d rather they make the product one that is more enjoyable across a wider spectrum of customers, but I understand how ‘woke’ it can be to take other opinions as valid things to be considered, and how that could influence the decision making of the design team.

Staying out of bus lanes would be nice. Also, not trying to constantly bypass lines. Also, not switching out of the exit lane for no reason at the last second and missing the same exits 90% of the time. They’ve had some weird behaviors lately that don’t seem to be high on the list of things to address.

Yes! This is why I disengage the most, and it should be an easy fix. I also miss the regenerative braking options.

turning/merging into lanes that don't exist and weaving in and out of lanes to then just jump in front of someone and drive slower

Check to see if you're in hurry mode. If so try standard to see if that makes a difference.

Step change. It is like a mathematical step function, where instead of gradually going up in a continuous way it suddenly "jumps" up. To put it plainly, it is an expression that means things get suddenly much better all of a sudden than a slow gradual improvement. Think how it would be like going from Iphone 3 to Iphone 14 instead of all the in-between versions.

The math explanation was helpful. Thanks. My first thought of steep as in rising or falling sharply, a big leap kind of.

My theory is that is why they rolled out the windshield insurance.

Maybe, but still far superior to cameras alone. And they are often combined with: Cameras, short range radar, and reactive suspension. All things Tesla doesn’t have because their priority is selling cheap cars for expensive prices.

Dude literally all you need to do to make it less aggressive is decrease your top speed and/or set it to chill mode. It isnt even aggressive in the first place but thats a personal opinion so whatever.

That’s not how AI works. It’s more like a person - it has a driving style. You can ask a person to drive in a different style, but they are still trained a certain way and would tend to do what they are trained for.

I’m not. I almost never use hurry, because I get annoyed with frequent lane changes.

Oof.

Hmm, last Musk promised significant improvements to software, Grok went full on antisemitic. Hopefully Teslas don’t start having that attitude when self -driving.

That's extremely ignorant. Radar does not detect potholes. It's not high enough resolution Jaguar I-Pace suspension is stiffer than new model Y robotaxi Tesla has cameras and they are higher framerate than waymoZ Waymo doesn't have some magic sauce. Their magic sauce is just that the cars don't hit other cars and/or pedestrians

You’re the one that keeps bringing up Waymo. Which is funny because they are also cheap and probably the best comparison to Tesla. Why haven’t you brought up Audi, which is the best price point comparison?

If only there was LiDAR.

Oooo, will FSD finally seed the damn speed bumps and speed tables in my neighborhood finally?!?

Because they don't have self driving? We are talking about self driving vehicles And consumer cars that have lidar feature low resolution lidar. Nothing like waymo would have

Central Jersey here and there are TONS of these no turn on reds by me :3

Yeah cuz the Austin roll out has been so impressive!

Yeah only defence against that is moving up the limits, worked ok, wouldn't say it was ideal or great.

Even HW4 does this too unfortunately, hopefully less than HW3, but it braked quite a bit for invisible objects (aka shadows) on multiple occasions this last week.

I would prefer that it drive less human like than the jerky human it's apparently modeling.

When is free auto-pilot getting updated?

it is called forward looking statements - have you listen to any earnings calls from any company in any industry? [Forward Looking Statement - What Is It, Examples, Disclaimer](https://www.wallstreetmojo.com/forward-looking-statement/)

Doesn't matter, without lidar Teslas are a dangerous menace

Sure, I have. I've also listened to Musk violate laws with financial implications and have very little consequences. He's not going to shore up HW3 cars with modern computers. It's just not going to happen. I'd sure like him to, because I own 2 of them and both have paid licenses to FSD. But Tesla will absolutely not do this, and there will be no consequences to Musk for saying they would in a forward looking statement. If I'm wrong, I'll revisit this comment and admit it.

future will come. I bought HW4 car for that purpose not expecting HW3 to ever be 'upgraded'. I also looked at other options in the EV market at the same price ranges, nothing even close. You want software upgrades? Ha! Your car only ever going to have what it has right now, no new features, no fixes. you expect OTA? Ha, ha! get your butt to dealership and good luck! With all of its faults Musk, Tesla, etc are years ahead and above what i see with other makers..

I was promised full self driving when I bought it.

I would like a toggle to turn off being a stupid driver. I’ll be cruising along in the fast lane with cars in front of me and cars behind me. The whole line of cars in the fast lane is going faster than the two semis up ahead in the slow lane. FSD will get over in the slow lane, come up behind the semis, slow down, and wait for the line of faster cars to all pass, and then rejoin the fast lane but behind cars I used to be in front of. So stupid.

You could always drive your car. Then you can change as minimally as you like

Sure, I can also walk places if I wanted. Your comment is. It helping whatsoever.

And have options to remove all the beeps and boops.

I’d like to see school zone speed limits followed and proper handling of school buses when they drop kids off. Last time I encountered a school bus with flashing red lights when kids were getting off, the car tried to pass it with FSD.

They were outright lying, they guaranteed every car had the functionality plus that it would be by years end, they cut a video to make it seem like it was 100% in that testing and the CEO hyped it up nonstop about his “alpha build” being so advanced, stated multiple times he’d be surprised if it wasn’t released that same year too Most of that on social media, so yeah that’s not marketing as in “something huge on the horizon! Buy now to solidify your spot!” Vs “yes! It’s here, it’s now! And all you need to do is purchase the appreciating asset and by years end you’ll be the first!”

FSD in my 3 slowed down for a school zone this morning which caught me by surprise. Going to test it again tomorrow to make sure it wasn't a fluke

In musk we trust

lol, yes sometimes!

HW3 🙄

Supper ,nice ❤️🏆

It's a good approach, though; push an incomplete feature so that it gets training and error data ASAP, and it polishes up quicker. Otherwise we'd be waiting longer for proper performance in the end.

Is it skeptical when we've *already* diverged to a pared-down model? It's not being pessimistic, it's literally already how it is.

How about an option to get to the exit lane before the very last second when you’re forced to cut multiple people off

"Good news everyone!" "Not good enough!" They already stated, if needed, Tesla will fit the bill for hardware swap. The naysayers will never be satisfied no matter how successful Tesla is. This person is anti Elon. And it makes everything Tesla negative.

Hmm, it’s definitely AN approach but another one would be more incentive to have it on than off rather than punish us for a year.

If you need to resort to categorical arguments like "that person's anti-*whatever*", then your argument isn't very good. Argue the ideas, not the person - their ideas are right. We *know* that it can't work, and the paths have already diverged with HW4 using a much bigger model. So if they're so willing to upgrade us, what's the hold-up? The obvious answer is that the longer they wait, the more people leave HW3, which means fewer replacements Tesla has to pay for and they get away with their misleading. That's not an anti-Tesla or anti-Elon point, that's just simple economics of a company that has no legal impetus, yet, to do that work. Hence why we have to be the ones to pressure them. Don't expect a corporation, no matter how much you like them, to go out of their way to spend money for you unless they are legally obligated to - and even then, only when the legal consequences are more expensive than complying. (Also, as it were, the original commenter is absolutely correct, too: HW3 will not see this update as Elon describes, since the Robotaxis are running HW4 and those are the upgrades he's discussing. "General production" means HW4, since that's the new standard, not legacy HW3 - until *maybe* later, but again, HW3 is already behind.)

There is no argument. This person is venting and claiming they have been left behind. Its an opinion. Hardware will always march forward. Tesla promised to upgrade once its appropriate. Your argument is it should be now. They disagree. The speed at which you get updates is slower than other newer vehicles. This is all true. This persons argument is TRUE. I am stating they are annoying and I'm tired of seeing people who are negative latch onto any positive new.

>Your argument is it should be now. They disagree. This is a correct assessment. Do you think that's not a valid opinion to have? >The speed at which you get updates is slower than other newer vehicles. This is all true. Critically, even the *updates* are different; we're not getting what HW4 is getting, because it already can't run on our cars. Hardware does march forward as you say - but we were promised a spot in that march and aren't getting it. "When it's appropriate" is corporate code for "when they make us, because why spend money we don't *need* to, when waiting will make the problem go away?" >This persons argument is TRUE. I am stating they are annoying and I'm tired of seeing people who are negative latch onto any positive new. So you recognize what they're saying is true, yet somehow you expect this to be *positive* news in their eyes? Sorry, but every new update for HW4 is another update HW3 isn't getting, and another way in which HW3 is being left behind. They have every right and reason to complain that their car (and 5-figure FSD purchase with it) is dying because Tesla is holding out on upgrades and features they promised years ago. If you don't like the "negativity" about being ignored after a $10k+ purchase, you can just ignore them yourself.

They purchased with current abilities of FSD with a future promise it will get better. This was clear.

What about my HW3?

Keep on believing this con if you want, this is never going to happen.

Blablabla…I paid for FSD in 2019 here in Switzerland and nothing hasn’t changed much. Yeah I know…it’s all about local regulations…nevertheless: Much was promised in 2019 when I paid for FSD. Promises that weren’t kept. Don’t talk; deliver!

As a control systems engineer, the fact that he is just using cameras instead of a combination of LiDAR & cameras will make Tesla go the way of Enron. And the fact that it will take an infinite amount of data to train the rungs of neural networks that he is using for FSD for every driving application and scenario.

Since latest update, my FSD is way worse than before the update. Not moving over for merging traffic on the highway. Doesn't recognize that some construction zones no longer exist. FSD finally caught on that an intersection on SB US131 and U Ave has been rerouted, but after the most recent update Software: v12(2025.20.8 8c1647o0c4ad) the car turned me into oncoming traffic! I have a 2021 Model Y built in October 2020 I have been unable send reports with the right scroll wheel. Every once in a blue moon it will work. HELP!

Do people still buy Teslas?

Man, I just want my car to read speed limit signs. It's been having difficulty with that for years, and instead of updates fixing the problem it's only gradually gotten worse.

Let me use my phone while I’m in fsd.

And don’t pretend like oncoming traffic will stop out of the kindness of their own hearts on 2 way stops.

I was told that the reason it stops so close behind cars is because it’s following the NHTS. Whatever that means…😅 I’m new to this so all this is a learning experience for me.

And stay in the lane. I don’t wanna switch lanes every minute.

Was FSD on the interstate.