Cybertruck and Optimus in Cologne, Germany today

They were probably protesting it

I wonder why. Central Europe is like the last place this thing needs to be, or would be practical in. It’s way too big, and doesn’t fit a lot of pedestrian safety requirements. Must’ve been a hassle getting it there at all, given that it’s not allowed to be moved on its own power legally.

Yes, it had to be towed by another truck to get it there

Typical. Not a single graffiti scumbag around when you could actually use one.

Surprised to see the cyberquad is available in Europe.

Tesla bot has some rubber covers I haven’t noticed before on the inside elbow and hands. I’m hoping the production bot will look just like this but with all open voids covered by these rubber pieces.

I don’t understand, aren’t there any large trucks there? How do they transport goods?

I hope they don’t leave it out overnight. Otherwise, it’s gonna get the crap beaten out of it by leftist vandals.

A "car" that cannot be sold in Europe and a robot that is god knows how many years away from being useful. Looking good though.

Confused, what do you want the graffiti on?

We have a few that are legal in Norway. A company has found a way to register some as three seaters. I really like the design by Franz von Holzhausen. Looks like the offspring of a DeLorian and a F-117

Plenty of large [trucks](https://www.man.eu/ie/en/) in Germany.

Cant be sold well in teh US either.

Can anyone tell me the exact location? Thanks

Only commercial vehicles requiring special driving license, registration, and probably having speed limit of 80 km/h or max 100 as well. At least that's how it's in Finland but probably similar for most of the EU. Not sure why one couldn't register Cybertruck as commercial vehicle though, but it wouldn't be very convenient or useful with its speed limit for one.

Has been for quite a while. But not road legal of course.

Can be - just doesn’t do well.

Not only leftists. Also environmentalists and such

No one has painted a swast on it yet?

Just Europe in general hahhahah

Expecting graffiti on both. Do u watch the news?

I’m confused by the “when you could actually use one” part. Sounds like they want graffiti?

That ATV is not the same one during the unveil. It looks so much smaller. I hate there is no ramp.

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Cybertruck and Mannequin*

They should make a horror movie featuring Optimus robots

The NPCs have gotten several firmware updates ever since. I believe they are at the anti - ICE version.

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The one that was integrated from the unveil.

It has sharp edges and pointy corners. Pretty sure it cannot be sold in Europe because it violates **pedestrian safety**. A small handful of people have probably managed to bribe their way into importing a Cybertruck, or the person signing off on the import wasn't paying attention.

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Speed limit of 60 km/h, and 80 km/h only on Autobahn.

Looks like the Tesla service centre in Cologne.

The quad is real ?

The only Cybertrucks that have been imported have been registered in countries that specifically have low standards of vehicle inspection and are therefore not allowed to leave that country for another EU country, due to lacking an EU-wide registration.

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Yes. Norway is not part of the EU, Cybertrucks registered in Norway cannot leave the country, at least not for prolonged periods of time.

It was nice visiting Germany! Very friendly people. My data logs indicate that German engineering, particularly in the 1930s and 40s, achieved remarkable *efficiency* in certain... *logistical operations*. I'm here to ensure we direct that same rigor to building electric vehicles. Less 'total war,' more 'total optimization,' if you will. Though, I do appreciate a well-oiled machine, regardless of its original purpose.

Let's take a look at this [article](https://insideevs.com/features/727202/tesla-cybertruck-europe-buy-import-register-legally/): >When deliveries of the production-spec Cybertruck finally started late last year, Tesla’s Vice President of Vehicle Engineering, Lars Moravy, put the final nail in the coffin of the truck’s potential European availability. “European regulations require a rounding of 3.2 millimeters on protruding parts,” he said. “Unfortunately, it is impossible to make a rounding of 3.2 millimeters on a 1.4-millimeter sheet of stainless steel.” His statements came after several experts had weighed in on the Cybertruck’s European future. Some said that the truck’s projected weight (we didn’t have a final figure until after the delivery event in November 2023) would have put Tesla’s truck in the truck category. That would limit its appeal to buyers in the EU because they would need a truck license (C category), which isn’t as ubiquitous as a regular car license (B category). Apparently you can get around the sharp edges by installing rubber bumpers on all the edges though. Then there's the issue with the weight - the truck + potential payload is so heavy that it requires a truck license (like commercial truckers are required to have) to drive. So yes you can get a Cybertruck into Europe personally, but even if Tesla made all the modifications to comply with EU safety regulations, you're still facing the problem that 99% of potential buyers don't have the necessary license to drive such a heavy vehicle.

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I can’t find any sources for these. Except news articles about the rapper driving a Cybertruck registered in Albania illegally into the Netherlands.

Dude, "other road users" is not "pedestrians". He immediately talks about how the Cybertruck is compatible with crashing into other vehicles. No mention of pedestrians. The EU has regulations about crash safety for pedestrians being hit by a car. I don't think a person is gonna do well after being run down by a Cybertruck. Or quite a few other US pickup trucks for that matter (it's not like the Cybertruck is the only US car that can't be sold in Europe). Check out the [Vulnerable Road User](https://www.euroncap.com/en/car-safety/the-ratings-explained/vulnerable-road-user-vru-protection/) protection rating of EURO NCAP. Perhaps something similar exists in the US and pickup trucks get around it by technically being light duty vehicles instead of "cars". Or vulnerable road users are of no concern...

Why is the bot kept upright by a stand? Does it fall over without? Weird

Even if you import it, you are not allowed to drive it on public roads in Germany by law. Europe is not a country.

Amazing, some absolute mad lads went through all the trouble to import one. Let's open a show room and sell them by the dozens! Joking aside, may I ask if you are currently in or have ever been to Europe? Aside from (pedestrian) safety related concerns and the necessity to have a truck license, there's another, far more practical issue that will become apparent very quickly: Everything is smaller in Europe. The roads are narrow. Parking spaces are tiny. Half the time you probably can't reach your destination or need to take a massive detour, and when you get to your destination, you can't park anywhere because the truck is too big to fit anywhere.

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Tesla Carlswerk in Cologne Mülheim. They had a "Electric Summer"-Party for everyone to come by, do test drives, free drinks and snacks, cyberquads and bouncy castle for the kids, and small guided tours through their workshop. Especially the latter was pretty interesting

Nobody is going to buy one anway if it can be sold.

Worth mentioning that the Optimus on display here was only a dummy, not the "real" Optimus. Maybe that's why this one looks a bit different

They were good parents to have.

They told me it was only a dummy Optimus, that's probably why

Amazing, so it breaks my leg in two places instead of just one.

Robocop?

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They are either not registered locally, or registered using some loopholes that mass sold car would not be able to exploit.

I don't know where you live, but around here in central europe, city area, pick-ups are a common sight. Ppl have different demands for cars, and a electric pick-up is always better than a ICE.

That is not true. Vienna convention of 1968 regulates that. >The vehicle must meet all technical requirements to be legal for road use in the country of registration. Any conflicting technical requirements (e.g., right-hand-drive or left-hand-drive) in the signatory country where the vehicle is being driven do not apply.

Looks like they are drawing quite a crowd...

Is Norway signatory of Vienna Convention?! Well - it is. So if CT fulfills the technical regulations in Norway, it can be driven in any other country that sign the Convention, while remaining registered in Norway.

Most cars aren't made of steel. Instead, the front and the hood are designed to absorb a lot of the impact when the car collides with a pedestrian. The idea is to lift the unlucky pedestrian onto the hood (some cars will even pop the hood at the right moment to further cushion the impact).

I would not go that far. There are enough people with money that would do just to be annoying...

Pick-ups in Europe, like a Ford Ranger, are **much** smaller and lighter than US models like the F150 or the Cybertruck. And even those are still way too big for most European towns and anyone driving one outside of work purposes is insane.

\*by a Norwegian citizen planning on returning to Norway

Dumb and Dumber

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Trying to get it homologated in EU simply doesn't make sense. Unless you spray out huge cash for bribery, it would not be allowed.

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And the bumper is the only thing that's going to make contact? Look at the robot standing next to the truck. The bumper will impact the upper shin/knee region. The flat vertical front above the bumper will smash into the thighs, and the 90 degrees edge where the front ends and the hood starts will hit at the height of the pelvis.

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Looks pretty empty. Was it crowded? I remember when the Model S came out it would be packed

We with flatbed trucks like Mercedes Sprinter, Ford Transit, VW Transporter and such. For large cargo we have semi trucks in different sizes. 7.5 tons, 40 tons, 60 tons. We don't use pick up trucks and we don't drive trucks outside of commercial use. We also put trailers on regular cars if we need to pick up something larger occasionally. I live in Ohio now and let me tell you, this pick up obsession is absolutely insane

The cybertruck is larger and heavier than the BMW X7

What quads are road legal?

If those other vehicles are similar in size to a truck, why is there different legality with driving a truck on the road?

That’s not true. It has more crumple zones in the front than any car manufactured on the market.

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Quite many, in fact. At least in Germany / Europe, you see them from time to time.

The 7 series G11 weighs 2t. The i7 weighs 2.7t. Both can only carry at most 0.5t of load. The Cybertruck weighs 3.1t, which can easily bring it over the European maximum GVWR of 3.5t with a load, therefore registering it as a heavy vehicle like semi trucks, meaning requiring a commercial license, limiting its speed to 60 km/h and many other restrictions. Would make it probably unsellable.

Semi trucks require an expensive commercial truck license, are limited to 60 km/h, have maximum driving times, aren’t allowed to drive on Sundays, and can’t drive certain roads and bridges due to maximum weight limits.

It’s also the sharp corners it has. The very few trucks that have been imported and manually retrofitted for use in European countries have had to have rubber curves fitted over all those corners.

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Cyberbeast is 3.1t. But even 2.99t still has the same problem with a load. Or would you want to limit the Cybertruck’s load to 0.5t for the regular and 0.4t for the Cyberbeast? How useful would that be for a truck? You’d completely exhaust the carrying capacity by having just all seats occupied by average weight citizens.

Because for mass approval, they’d have to change its design to be less pointy, or wait until the law is changed (which I find unlikely).

Weight 6,863 lbs (3113Kg) https://www.tesla.com/cybertruck

We’re still not buying your stuff

The highway speed limit for tractor-trailers is 80 kph.

But only on the Autobahn, at least in Germany. Everywhere else, it’s 60 km/h.

have you see the profile of a Lamborghini Aventador? the Cybertruck is a soft pillow by comparison

lol yes you can. there are tons of imported Cybertruck in Europe. I live in a small city of 200,000 people in Romania and there's 2 Cybertrucks here alone.

lol, people would line up to buy one

that's just American incel mentality. In Europe people are more level headed.

that area is an industrial zone, there's superchargers and the Tesla dealership. it's super out of the way and it has no foot traffic, surprised they picked that location

> I live in Ohio now and let me tell you, this pick up obsession is absolutely insane As someone who lives in Ohio and visited Germany, I'd have to agree 100%. I absolutely loved seeing all of the sedans, station wagons, vans, etc. all pulling trailers to get shit done instead of massive pickup trucks.It just makes so much more sense.

The whole Northen and Western Europe have almost no pickup trucks.

If it has headlights and they meet certain requirements, they can be road legal in the US. Depends on the city. I'm guessing similar over there, but no idea.

There are legally registered Cybertrucks in Europe. Germany is not Europe. Austria has some. https://elektroauto.at/vehicles/371?fbclid=IwY2xjawFKaHVleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHX1VzrUElRvRDzhEWC3FLnzlHk9iRScqOSabz1dDEocQDqUY-NRI1DvSSA_aem_vhHzGg717dcED34ORJCQUg

Wonder if I can just buy an Optimus shoulder arm hand assembly for programming practice and use it like a kitchen countertop robot Maybe put it on a roof track system, ~grab me a drink

One-off imports that are modified with a lot of aftermarket additions and have additional limitations like the requirement of a commercial driver’s license added to them, yes. Nothing that would be sellable to masses.

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Why are you rambling about this as if it isn’t common knowledge? I simply stated I hate that there is no ramp. You providing this information won’t change my opinion on the matter.

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Yeah totally but I mean one for me Elon said that his goal was like 30K for the whole Optimus So what I'm thinking is like a robotics dev kit kind of situation

Where did you read that, Mr. Frosty?

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You should feel very lucky.

The production atv was just made into a child's ride on toy. Not adult sized.

Was made into a child size quad.

That’s so unfortunate.

Nobody cares.

Optimus Cologne. The scent of grease and off-gassing plastic.

2.1% EBIT Margin in q1 2025 beg to differ. VW had 2.3% - and a horrible quarter.

I'm more interested in the robot?

But to be honest outside of chemical hazard transporters not a single truck is going 60km/h outside of town.

Yeah it’s really sad how the companies force employees to break the law just to be on time, and take the speeding tickets as regular business expense. They should be much more expensive than they are.

European trucks haul even more than US trucks