Latest dance moves from Optimus

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Source: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1922083384085430492 News article here: https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/elon-musk-shares-real-time-dance-video-of-teslas-optimus-robot-8402761

Damn Skynet

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Better than Elon....

Optimus Fine

Why did it look like it was embarrassed at the end there😂

Because there was a dude off screen doing it who was embarrassed. It’s just accurately mimicking them.

parlor tricks

We know who he didn’t learn his moves from.

This looks like someone pointed a camera at someone and said "quick, dance!" Rapid, fluid movements while maintaining balance. That is really impressive, but I'm sure some armchair quarterback will come in and tell me why it's not really impressive.

I want to see it cleaning a bathroom, mowing a lawn and doing laundry.

To me it looks like a “go back to home” function where the robot transitions back to his standard upward position. Just with a slower transitioning state compared to the “dance”.

I want one to clean my home not dance 😉

Autonomously, not teleoperated

Puppets

I don't think we need robots to dance

Better dancer than myself

Gotta start somewhere

It is, but it’s also tethered to the yellow safety strap hanging down behind it.

In reality, we dont need anyone to dance. We do it because it's fun.

Not impressed.

Teleoperated is fine too... Its a way to offer those kinds of jobs to people who aren't able to leave home for whatever reason. ...or just export those jobs to India lol.

Oh like the movie Real Steel? That would be crazy...

You realize this type of motion cannot be done with direct capture, right? The weight distribution and balance of the robot would be entirely different from a remote operator so when there’s so much motion and momentum involved, it just wouldn’t work.

If they don't dance, well they're no friends of mine.

Best case scenario is having robots do the housework leaving the humans time to dance...

i am sorry to be negative. Hoping humanoid robots make a big difference but the clips we get are always so short and/or edited. I still have not seen a humanoid robot doing something that looks like it could be adding significant value to a business as of yet. would be glad to see clips otherwise. I know this took a lot of work and effort. its just hard to be impressed when musk says these robots will be ready for primetime in the near future such there will be serious use beyond just a novelty.

Yeah exactly. Who cares if it can dance…at all?

Wow, just think, in a quick 15 to 20 years we can have one of these at our own homes dancing for us.

armchair quarterback here. musk has made it seem like millions of these will be sold in a short manner of time. so expectations are sky high. its hard to appreciate advances. also, boston dynamics put out 2 minute videos similar of dancing. so while this has taken thousands and thousands of human hours to achieve, is it tech capable of producing billions of dollars of sales and trillions of dollars in market cap as musk has predicted (or promised?).

Wow. Tesla is on another level

And because it's a useful way for testing the robot's ability to remain stable during complex and fluid motion

Who would want to be friends with a robot? We should have friends who don't run out of battery loll

When your knees hurts, it can dance for you

They should have had it do the robot

It’s simply a display of abilities. Quick motion and ability to quickly react and balance.

I’ll just counter and say that Boston dynamics has been around since the 90s. And just 4/5 years ago, Optimus was a person dancing. The robot just recreated the exact same dance

Never trust a Musk estimate, they're almost always extremely optimistic. Some argue it's partly to push the teams building it to work harder and drive for an ambitious delivery timeline. Though, I think most of it is just to build hype for funding purposes. On a more constructive note though, getting a robot to dance, while being very technically complex, could be a useful way to test and demonstrate that it can remain stable during complex, fluid motion.

Per Grok- describes a humanoid robot trained in a simulated environment using reinforcement learning, then applied to the real world without further training (zero-shot). The robot’s control system runs autonomously on the robot itself (onboard) and operates instantly (realtime), likely showing tasks like walking or balancing.

Even many people do not have these skills you mentioned :(

No thank you... Some serial killer gonna hack into them and then hack you up. Not to say our robot overlord won't either.... But I'll take my chances and say thank you after it trims the hedges.

I’m in my late 40s. I truly don’t think we will have something like this in my lifetime that is capable of cleaning and doing laundry. I mean fully autonomous where it requires no intervention at all from the owner. I’m not sure if I’m a pessimist or they’ve just been talking about these things for 60+ years now and it’s still not very close.

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So we are all going to have one of these at home?

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This is just so basic.. watch the robotics company that Hyundai bought (Boston Dynamics)- miles ahead. They already did things like backflips in 2020 or 2021.

I'll be impressed when there's a pole involved in its dance moves.

I need one that can play table tennis w me!

That's what I was thinking. If anything, it would be MORE impressive for it to be tele-operated than not.

I'm missing a leg and this technology is cool as fuck to me, for selfish reasons. The learning model that allows a bipedal robot to figure this out could absolutely change my life.

Hmmmm, seems like some good progress. Fine and gross motor functions seem to be at a point that they can perform daily tasks and chores. Now would be the time for actual implementation, but that’s probably going to take some good time. Will be interesting to see all these robot companies competing with their own versions. I can’t see myself actually getting one though, unless it greatly increases QOL.

Man they are already rolling out robots at businesses. Go check out YouTube and look at the Boston dynamics robots, a lot of construction companies are already using the dogs and police forces. Robots in the next 50 years are probably going to be heavily integrated into society.

I’ll arm chair quarterback too. Isn’t this supposed be a helper robot? Who cares if it dances? I want to see it doing common household chores. Can it start a lawnmower and mow the yard? Can it pick up kids toys and put them in a bin? This bot will be 30k, it would be useful seeing it do things I would actually be used for.

This will be in the back of my mind every time I will make these things give me a hand job. Knowing that the emotionless black glass face is really some dude in Bangladesh who hates his job.

No chance I put that potential killing machine in my house while I am sleeping.

I mean musks timelines are wild but given where the Chinese companies, figure, and Boston dynamics are on these, I don’t think the timeline is super off. They will be in factories for years before they reach consumers en masse though beyond influencers wanting a robot to carry their shopping bags

Some argue that it’s to generate hype and pump the stock price.

Optimus cleaning duty will be ready in 10 years.

Looks like Stewart from Mad TV. "Look what I can do!"

At 30k, what’s the value proposition over simply hiring a person? You also have to worry about service and maintenance with a robot. And ofc you have to at least 10x Elon’s prediction of when it’ll be ready.

Reddit when Boston Dynamics makes a dancing robot: "OMG amazing!" Reddit when Tesla makes a dancing robot: "Meh"

Don't think Elon made the fart feature of Tesla before having the car on the road.

We cannot be trusted with this tech 😭

They have a cafe with teleoperated baristas in japan. No one has been murdered yet afaik. People also state the same fear about Tesla's cars, but it's not happened yet...  Btw do you always live in constant fear to be around anyone at all times just in case they suddenly turn out to be a serial killer?

5 seconds in a tightly controlled environment isolated from everything most likely edited the s*** also in fake

I think the Optimus bots are going to be much more useful eventually, but as far as dancing Boston Dynamics had theirs dancing over a decade ago. So the meh reaction is timing. It’s like a country getting to the moon for the first time in 2025. Is it impressive? Yes. Has it been done before? Yes so reactions will be less enthusiastic.

Imagine what these things are going to be doing in 5 years or more.

But once they become autonomous, how am I supposed to get off?

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TAKE MY MONEY

So basically, Chuck E. Cheese? Lol the one near my house has a stage with animatronic giant rats playing in a band.

Yeah, but Tesla announced they started work on a robot on 19 Aug 2021. (3 years 8 months) Boston Dynamics started making robots in 1992. (~32 years) IMHO, if you're going to give praise you should be accounting for the dev time it took to go from A to B. The speed at which Optimus is improving is lightyears faster than BD.

A little soft-shoe from something that doesn't own any.

No, but they released the car before autonomous driving was done. If a robot cannot balance and move around like this then how is it going to stretch to reach the top corner of your rooms to clean them, or pat down the curtains, stretch over the bed to make it, etc. These are the fun baby steps on that path from the mobility team whilst the apply this to something useful team are working on that software in parallel.

I agree that showing actual utility would be nice. But we've seen it pick & sort before. And we've seen it fold laundry (tele-operated). And people complained about those videos too. The dancing itself shows the range of motion in the legs of the robot as well as the balance. It's good to see from a mechanical perspective as any useful robot will need to be able to handle stairs, ramps, outdoors, etc. What I want to know about this video is: 1) How long did they need to train/program the robot to learn the routine? 2) How many takes did they need to do to get this video? 3) How quickly can they port the routine to another robot? I assume instantly, but would be nice to confirm. 4) Why is it tethered? Were they afraid it might fall? Or is that providing power?

> also, boston dynamics put out 2 minute videos similar of dancing. BD has been building robots for.... 30ish years? Tesla has been building Optimus for... 3ish years?

it does the robot all the time. even when it’s powered off

So maybe you're not picturing things correctly. (I'm 43) in the last 15 years, we've developed the micromotors powerful enough to simulate small motor control we have as balance, the processing power to onboard the controllers to the actual robot. We've developed accelerometers that are MORE sensitive than our inner ear, and we've developed computer vision and are edging into AI.... all in 15 years, you gonna die in the next 15? Because we're already using computers to augment our periodic table of elements, there is really no sign that we're not going to be pushing warp theory in a few decades.

Generalized humanoid robots are not really useful right now. I am not sure why we are so obsessed with humanoid robots. It doesn't have to look like a human to be a robot. The robot arms in factories are already immensely useful. The little cube bots in amazon plants to move products around before shipping are also hugely useful.

> Who cares if it dances? It's not that it *can* dance, it's what dancing demonstrates for its mobility and balance. Much like the video released last year where they had Optimus walking down a steep incline along their parking lot and then pushed it in the back, which was a demonstration of reactive balancing not a demonstration of how you could kick your robot.

But what if it could… striptease?

Cool cool cool…

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Lmao or you ask for a curry chicken recipe and you notice the language heavily deviate from the norm as Raj takes control and passionately gives you his moms recipe

Tesla’s robots haven’t done anything useful, but other companies are making great strides in humanoid robots that can perform actual work. https://youtu.be/WoXCHr1IaTM?si=DMx206qqxZVG7Efl

I think the point of a humanoid robot is we don’t need any additional infrastructure to make them do things. Like a specialized KUKA arm can only do certain thing, and then you need a different robot to do the dishes, etc. the point of humanoid is it can just do anything a human does now. There is still plenty of room for specialized robots (KUKA) but the general thinking for humanoid designs is it works with our current world. Like those Amazon cube robots can ONLY do that job. But if I had Optimus to carry a box around I could ALSO tell it to go clean the windows.

I’m a person and I run out of (social) battery all the time. Don’t humans need to recharge by sleeping anyway? Isn’t that equivalent

To do the dishes? You mean like a dishwasher?

Yeah because they started in 1990 lol. Optimus has been in development for what like 5 years now?

These bipedal and quadrupedal robots were originally created because DARPA wanted something that could lug gear around a warzone. There are very few things this style of robot can do that isn't already being done more efficiently with cheaper robots.

I didn’t know a dishwasher could walk across my room and take my dirty plate and put it in. Also if I had a robot like this I just wouldn’t buy a dishwasher. The robot can hand wash everything.

And rotating the tires on my car.

So relieved Americans robots can dance. I was afraid the Chinese ones were way ahead.

the thing is we all can do the things you just stated, but can any of us pull a dance move like the robot here/

Absolutely. It's coming one way or another. In 10 - 15 years, having a robot will be as common as having a car or phone, just someone in your house 24x7 doing all the shit no one wants to do. dishes, laundry, cleaning toilets, minor repairs, whatever .

robots for the house will probably be rentals, like a subscription.

Like I said, call me a pessimist if you want to but, I just don’t see it. Everything takes longer than we anticipate.

https://x.com/Tesla/status/1800612353932722458?s=19 In June of 2024 Tesla said they already had Optimus robots performing useful tasks around the factory, this was almost a year ago.

Yeah, I haven't seen the optimus do anything that other companies weren't doing 5 years ago. It's great to watch, what is Tesla's advantage that would put them ahead of the 100+ other robotics companies that already have the hardware solved, have the balancing software written, and are focusing on the hard work of coordination, price, and usefulness?

Musk talked (i think?) about giving people like you an optimus limb + neuralink to make it feel, at least a bit, like it is part of you :) I hope you're young though, might take a while!

You have purchased the Gordon Ramsey Attitude Package YOU FUC*ING WANKER!

Price might be a place that they can innovate

Yeah I do realize BD has been around for much longer. Just pointing it out as these Tesla robots don’t seem that amazing to me.

Just remember, this is to demonstrate the actuators and leveling systems. The 'dance' is fully scripted out (just like the ones you see from other robot makers' and is not indicative of the AI. Based on a lot of videos, the robot looks slow, this kinda shows the actual speed at which they can run at. Once i can hire 5 of them to help move the furniture out of my house i will be excited.

I think the interesting factor comes from the ability to mass manufacture. Tesla is really good at that. Also the amazing part is the extremely fast rate of engineering.

No, because a dishwasher doesn't (un)load itself.

So many videos of dancing, getting shoved around, pushed down and getting back up. Walking, or running. I just want to see this thing push a mop, or walk around picking up trash. The most basic useful function.

And what does your dishwasher do when there are no dishes to be washed?

This is more fluff. Tesla bots do silly pick and place behaviors as well. Show me a robot that picks up clothing from the floor, mops or sweeps, removes trash. The most basic behavior seems to be impossible from everyone.

I think it's fair to say that Tesla is still playing catch up. But they've been able to get to this point much faster than Boston Dynamics was able to (based on the publicly released videos - I don't have any insider knowledge into either company), so they are catching up. Price is a big deal and I'm not convinced Tesla is going to be super competitive on that front for a long time.

24/7 available and not having a stranger in your house You’re rtarded if you don’t see the value proposition The only question is can it be fully useful and learn by itself

This is so stupid. You design robots to do that, dont limit it to humanoids. We already have lawn mowing robots... That look nothing like that, and do a way better and cheaper job

I'd rather take one human "stranger" (at least initially) than one walking surveillance machine beaming back 24/7 video and audio of my home to a server that Elon controls.

Its the same dance from first unveiling when a person in suit performed it.

>On a more constructive note though, getting a robot to dance, while being very technically complex, could be a useful way to test and demonstrate that it can remain stable during complex, fluid motion. It's supported by a harness, so they're clearly not that confident in the stability.

Not to mention a full time servant would cost 70k/year

Curious what purpose designed robot can clean a bathroom.

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I know you are joking but I actually have “humanoid robot autonomously folding laundry” as my personal indicator for where the knee will be in terms of mass adoption. I believe it will be fast too

How many stairs are there on the production floor? Put it on tracks and you can skip all the stability training and go straight do doing useful tasks. To be honest, that's a bit of a red flag for Optimus. Imagine you were serious about making useful robots around the factory. You start by sticking a pair of arms on wheels and then have it roll around the factory floor doing useful stuff. But that's the hard part. Getting hands to do these arbitrary tasks without a prohibitive amount of programming before hand is difficult. Getting a robot to walk around is relatively simple at this point. Tesla has designed a robot that looks like it came out of an SF movie, and is teaching it to do SF things like dance. But that's not useful work. If they were serious they'd be making a beeline to an MVP that could roll around the factory floor and do something useful. And once that was working they'd add legs. But starting with legs? That's another stock pump.

Get rid of it and install more cabinets Or get a wine fridge or an ice maker.

You don't have to imagine. Check out Boston Dynamics: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I44\_zbEwz\_w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I44_zbEwz_w)

My main concern with these things in a household environment is their weight. The last approximate weight was 125lbs. High enough that it falling onto someone or something will cause serious damage or injury. Think if it tripped and fell onto a frail elderly person or child. It could step on a cat, a small dog, or even the tail of a larger dog and not react immediately to the yelp, resulting in injury to pets. I have serious doubts it will have the “minimize the harm to whatever I am falling on or stepping on” reaction humans have to try to avoid hurting things for quite some time. I think they will eventually get there, just like I think FSD will as well, just not on the optimistic timelines promised to do so safely.

I'm not sure how that's a bad thing. It's not like the safety strap was actually keeping it upright.

Well, hopefully the robot gets better and in some future in some ways be more useful for us consumers and not just for factories.

Well that’s kinda the point of the humanoid design. It can be used anywhere. The world is designed for humans, it makes sense for some robots to be designed like humans.

It could be teleoperation, it's a short clip and there's a harness in case it falls. It wouldn't take long for the teleoperator to figure out how to do the sequence without falling. But I think the more likely is it was originally teleoperated dangling in air, and then they just did RL until it was able to stay upright. But the moves itself are probably more akin to a program.

Just put dusters on the feet and have it dance around the house all day.

Playing catchup is a lot easier than pushing the tech forward. And it boggles the mind to think what BD could do with Tesla's resources.

This video is autonomous, not teleoperate, learned in a simulator.

That's not how they work. They can be teleoperated, but that's mostly for training, not how they're going to work long-term.

Man, I never realized how much people hate seeing tech progress unless it's a final product. Like, this is literally step 1 to mowing your lawn. It can't learn to mow your lawn if it can't even learn how to move around properly. You don't want your robot to fall over because of a small stick that it didn't see.

Literally anyone working on robotics engineering... Learning to dance is just a proof of concept for learning to do other highly-coordinated movements. You guys don't really pay attention to robotics research, do you? It shows.

Ah man, the comments, keep it up.

Well, I think this comment and reply made me realized how non-technical these groups are nowadays. This sub feels like a husk of its old self anymore.

BD has been building hydraulics-based robots for 30 years. They've only dabbled in electronics-based actuators in the last few years. Not that that changes you point much, but everyone's pretty much at the same point these days: electronic actuators, teleoperation for data collection, and reinforcement learning in-sim.

It's a safety strap in case the robot doesn't execute the moves properly. It was not hanging on that strap. This info came directly from one of the bot's engineers on twitter.

https://www.reddit.com/r/artificial/comments/12m10ty/any_thoughts_about_this_robot_that_is_cleaning/

Musk and Tesla say a lot of stuff. I’ll believe it when I see it. Without proof it’s just talk.

Teleoperation

Imagine your bot steps on one those kid's toys by accident... how do you think it keeps itself balanced? Luck? Dancing is a way to showcase the balancing capability under dynamic movements, ya know, like stepping on a toy and not falling over immediately. Have you guys really never seen robot tech demoes before? You don't build a robot by first asking to build a nuclear reactor lol

Also being used as servers in restaurants, and for food delivery.

This is the answer. No one is going to buy one to dance, but the fact that it can dance without falling over means it'll be less likely to fall into my pool because someone left a floaty on the ground.

To each their own, but I wouldn’t call this fluff. It’s not specific to your use case, but these robots are doing work that would be monotonous and/or dangerous for humans. I see that as a positive, and it’s certainly a stepping stone toward Rosie from the Jetsons, even if the future isn’t here quite yet.

Can you imagine showing someone from the 1500s a dancing robot and them just being like "yeah, but can it do anything useful?" That's you right now.

I could give or take the neurolink part, but just about every mechanical component of the Optimus leg looks like an upgrade over MPK technology. Whether or not we can hang it off a suspension socket, I dunno, but it's multiple huge leaps forward, and if nothing else, the actual 'thinking' piece alone could do wonders even if it's just on the terminal at the prosthetist's office. I think. I just use the stuff lol.

When you signed up for bobs and vageen but end up with just Bob.

That model is called the Elaine

If there was one executive you could bet on to do the wildly irresponsible, liability-biting, lawyer-frustrating boneheaded FUTURE MAN superhero-complex move -- well, we got the right guy in the right place. Not that I'd bet a lot of money on it, but if I were compelled to bet.

I think Optimus suffers from the same thinking as FSD. Instead of tacking the problem in chunks Tesla is trying for all at once. That of course leads to delays to the point that eventually something has to give. There are far too many competitors in this field for Tesla to reach for the moon where most of us just want to see it reach for a broom.

Most likely it will be bathrooms designed to clean themselves. Which exist right now but need to be refined

This technology is still in its early days. Those recent breakthroughs in machine learning got a lot of scientists thinking we could actually develop useful humanoid robots. But with neural nets, you absolutely need precise data. We're talking data generated specifically for the robot you've built, which isn't straightforward. You can't just feed it YouTube videos of people doing stuff; you need data ideally captured by the machines themselves. So, how do you get data from your robots when they can't actually do anything yet? Well, you start with synthetic data. You simulate precise physics (using tools like Nvidia's Isaac Sim), and you import an exact digital twin of your robot into that simulation. Then, you somehow show it how to perform a task – could be through reinforcement learning, direct programming in the sim, whatever – and critically, you capture the data it produces. Once you have good enough synthetic data, you can start training the neural network for your real robot. You need to use techniques like reinforcement learning to help it adapt to the slightly different conditions and unpredictability of the real world. After many, many iterations, you eventually accumulate enough quality data to train a genuinely usable robot. Now, all of this, of course, takes years and is currently the main hurdle in robotics. But it is something that can be done – and that's precisely why we're seeing unprecedented billions being invested in the field. Think about a company like Tesla with its FSD; they're a prime example of a "robot" (the car) that benefits immensely from having a massive, highly specific dataset collected by the vehicles themselves. Just give it time; this technology will get much, much better.

I think what bothers me is moving a part from A to B is something very commonly automated with robotics for decades. It needs to be demonstrated or explained why an autonomous robot would be better at this than a repeatable/programmable process. A humanoid robot makes a lot of sense for doing human tasks in human environments, that's what's exciting to me. A more complex and error prone version of a KUKA isn't exciting. If you can just make a robot janitor you'd immediately have created massive value. Why is this so difficult to accomplish?

You hit on the most important point. Tesla has gotten to this point in a fraction of the time it took Boston Dynamics. They literally went from a person in a suit to a dancing robot in less than what, 3 years? That’s insane.

The problem is why are us broke folks worried about these robots? They’re for billionaires to play with to replace us and you’re concerned with pricing and usefulness.

Don't threaten me with a good time.

Let me know when it can wash dishes and fold clothes directly out of the dryer.

Once I calculated that in 10 years I spend _20 freaking days_ (i.e. 20*24 hours) loading and unloading our family dishwasher. 20 days!!!! How much my 20 days (plus putting laundry away plus all the other stupid things ) is worth? For many many thousands of euros.

The movements are amazingly good

Despite the advanced machinery you are describing, factories still need lots of people to function and wages still take a big chunk of the production cost for any product. Now imagine a fully automatized factory that can pop out a car or any product ready to sell every minute/second without any human intervention 24/7, without worrying about shifts, or vacations or human rights, just input the raw materials and take out the finished products, that is where all this is headed.

According to a quick Google search - yes. Atlas didn't start automating it's own movement til about 2018. You're missing the point though, this is a hardware demonstration not a software demo.

heck I don't do autonomously, my wife still teleoperates me

Optimus is robotics AND AI. Plenty of dancing robots out there but thinking is rarely demonstrated.

You’re right. I don’t keep up with robotics research at all. The thing is though, they are not trying to sell these things to researchers. They are trying to sell them to the general public.

Elon Musk always used to re-tweet videos from Boston Dynamics of their robots dancing. He probably cares because he wants to prove his robots "measure up" or whatever.

Holy shit. As a contractor, I’ve been operating a shake weight remotely while connected to a testing facility for the last 6 months, in 2-3 minute spurts no less. I’m starting to question the legitimacy of my supposed QA role.

Suzie Toot is shaking in her boots rn

This. I once argued in another thread that humanoid robots are an inefficient novelty and of limited use, and got downvoted into oblivion. It’s like an airplane with flapping wings or a walking machine instead of a train. True efficiency gains cannot be achieved by imitating nature.

They're actually not selling them at all right now, I'm not sure where you even got that idea. They're still very much in the R&D phase, all of these videos are teasers of their progress. This isn't your average marketing, it's a proof of concept demo for robotics and machine learning nerds, and a stake in the ground for where Tesla is today in their humanoid roadmap (zero-shot sim to real-life, which is impressive).

Dancing with the TARS

Needs a top hat and cane.

Tesla has more money they know what to spend it on, it's not for the funding. I think he just gets excited and is way to optimist

wow how usefull!!!!

The amount of dexterity it takes to do that little burst of movement and stay upright tells me the thing would have no issue folding laundry or mowing a lawn or carrying boxes up some stairs or something. IMO this is actually more impressive.

Other companies were doing this years ago. And they still haven't found a market for their far more advanced products.

It's called progress. You need to start somewhere. Would you prefer not to see any updates until it's a full fledged robot that goes in your home?

People are so damn salty online. It's progress, it starts somewhere. I guess people don't want to see anything until it's 100% ready for mass production.

This is what happens when you copy someone else's marketing a few years in arrears.

this really is a lot more nimble then the slowbotron version they launched with

I remember hearing this too. It’d be really awesome if Tesla could deliver on this promise some day. It would revolutionize the world for amputees and people who are physically immobile

Those are relatively hard tasks, and there are easier, but still useful work such as some factory duties and some fast food tasks. They don’t have to be able to do all of the duties just some. It should be able to work one or more shifts equivalent to tens of thousands of dollars of value in a year.

Well sure, as I said, it's useful for testing that stability. Having a harness there in case the stability isn't as good as you hope while testing is a sensible precaution

Lawn mowing robots are a single-purpose device with limited capability. You have to draw a box and have zero obstacles inside the box. It won't scoop up dog poop or remove sticks or pine cones before hand. A robot that will scoop up dog poop, move lawn chars back from the patio edge, pick up sticks, go get the mower battery out of the charger, get the mower out of the shed, mow the lawn, weed whip the patio edge, blow the grass clippings back into the yard, put the batteries back on the charger, set the lawn chairs back out, mix a cocktail for me and my wife and set them on the table between the lawn chairs - *THIS IS SO VALUABLE.* And why limit it to mowing the lawn? I want a robot that knows that THIS hamper is full of laundry washed on cold, THIS hamper is washed on hot, cold laundry gets hung up to try, hot laundry gets put in the dryer, and then folds my laundry. *And then it makes my wife and I cocktails and puts them on the table between the lawn chairs.* A general-purpose labor bot that can use the human-made tools that I already own is far more valuable than a single-purpose robot that does one thing okay-ish if I make sure that the environment it operates in is optimal for its function before it starts.

The argument would be that many different specialized robots would be more expensive to design and create than one humanoid robot that can (ideally) do anything a human can do.

Those of us into tech, but quite a bit older have seen this many times before. People get confused and cynical by the many false starts and PowerPoint breakthroughs. Actual massive changes like the coming humanoid robots get dismissed by those who think they’re oh so cool cynicism is intelligent skepticism.

This is exactly it, and I don't think I've ever seen it put quite so eloquently. The average person sees a fluff piece in the news every few months about how "humanoid robots coming to replace factory workers" or whatever, and after a few years of that people get skeptical and assume it was all a lie. Then it hits them like a sack of bricks when it actually happens, and the rest of us just sit back and go "I told you so, I don't know how you missed it, we were telling you over and over and over". Those of us in tech that do R&D talk right past those who don't, IMO. It's like science communication, though, too many people don't even understand the context for why this robot would be dancing in the first place, so the news seems useless. "Yay a robot can do a little dance, so what?", which is what we're seeing here.

I hope Tesla can pull it off.

Ok

Possibly aesthetic appeal too. Boston Dynamics and others have bots that are great for rescue/military/commercial uses, but most people would probably want something a little more pleasing on the eye for operating around their home

Get it to make me a coffee or something useful please

Imagine buying an emote for your robot

And a bipedal or quadrupedal robot doesn't require an environment tailored to its needs. It can work perfectly fine in the environments we've built and optimised for human needs.

The problem is that the option to teleoperate them is there. No need for it to have ever had that and now it's an abusable back door. I understand why it's there, to fake "advanced tech" before it's fully ready, but how can anyone trust one of those in their homes knowing it can be controlled remotely at any time.

This is so cool!

That's a suspiciously abrupt cut and a VERY short sequence. I love tech demos (like the Boston Dynamics biped doing parkour or the "dog" running out and carrying a supposedly injured person back on its back) but this just seems like a nothing-burger for the kids.

We don't need humans to dance either, but here we are...

Now I want to see a crip walk.

And you're not even a tad bit impressed the robot did that dance without falling on its ass? Can YOU do that dance? I can't. Good lord.

Sometimes I'll tell chatGPT to answer my questions but get more annoyed with me the more I ask. It's kind of therapeutic in a way. I'm not sure what that says about me and chatGPT is too pissed at me to answer.

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Weird concern tbh. Do you have a dog?

More likely you'll see it policing your neighborhood

even teleoperate would be cool

That's a good insight but doubtful it will take longer than fsd, robot cars have way bigger safety implications. In the long run I bet these things will save so many people from falling.

Might not even need neuralink. They can already do it with sensor attached to just above amputation where the nerves still work.

Took a long time for FSD to get good, but now it’s pretty damn good. Tech takes time.

There’s pleasure models?

This has been said numerous times. Robots are already in factories. They have been for decades. The fact that they are not humanoid robots is not because the technology isn't there, but because humanoid robots are far less efficient and effective than specialised robots.

I guess I should have clarified humanoid- the former aspect of your point is obvious. And people get killed by those machines relatively often. My point is we all saw that video a couple weeks ago of some bad code making a humanoid start karate chopping wildly, so I’m saying they are going to work out all those kinks before they leave factory floors and start being in homes

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Haaaayyyeeee! 🫰

If these ever get skin and genitals, the human race is fucked.

They look so cool!

I hope for your sake you're right.

Great, now pieces of metal and wire have better moves than me

AYE AYE AYE AYE…OH!!! Sorry nvm nvm

Good luck with that, the first 3 times it was too rough and broke the guy’s wang. But I think you’re very brave to volunteer for the fourth attempt.

I charge into battle dong-first

Don’t buy one, then. What’s the issue? Terminator isn’t a documentary, iRobot isn’t prophetic. Relax on the paranoia.

Hey look it’s the precursors to the T1000’s - made by Fuhrer Musk himself

straight up Napoleon Dynamite vibe

Slow motion: https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1922105631810470387

The day humanoid robots will prove their value is when I can ask one to grab me a coffee, box up the day’s orders, and sweep up the metal chips from behind the Cnc machine ie: all the endless mundane crap that you’d never have a specialized robot do.

I completely disagree. Only situation it might be useful is disaster recover and toxic waste disposal/cleanup. Never should one ever drive someone teleoperated.

Why would the first task you think of be using the robot drive someone?  Teleoperated moving of boxes and packing stuff will be fine. Of course hazardous jobs like you mentioned, but ones where quick reactions are not required.

Poor example, as there are already robot lawn mowers.

In an ideal scenario a humanoid robot could function as a stop gap for situations where the infrastructure cannot not be created to accommodate specialized robotics. But there are two issues that prevent this from happening. These robots are nowhere as efficient as specialized robots, and they're nowhere as cheap as humans. While the technology looks cool, the problems they solve already have solutions. There's a reason that Boston Dynamics has been showing off Atlas (and all of their other robots) for over a decade and they've yet to find actual uses for them besides PR.

It's impressive, but they also have the benefits of hindsight and current technology. What I want to see is if they can advance beyond their competitors at the same pace.

Reddit. Salty on Reddit.

50 years? lol, 2 maybe

Now the ai will do artwork and dance while we do the dishes and loaf shelves :)

This is amazing!

There is still AI involved in doing the translation from tele-operation for how the robot can achieve those actions, I'm just saying the movement was mocapped and translated into actions Optimus can do. It's still extremely impressive, just answering the question being asked.

Well that de-escalated quickly....

looks about how i'd imagine elon to dance tbh

Or autonomous driving using only cameras because humans use their eyes to drive...

I don't really think there is enough value in what you describe to justify what this thing would cost. Robot mowers and vacuums aren't that expensive. Hell, my housekeeper is only $280 a month and she will do a better job than any robot and does not come with maintenance costs.

60s of unedited dancing or moves (Boston Dynamics) is a much bigger statement than a cut every 10s. I’m very serious when I suggest every single cut might have been the longest/best take they had of any given sequence after a dozen tries.

That is the case for humanoid robot. The problem is that those tasks don't provide enough value to justify the cost of a single robot that can do all of those things well. That is why we see specialized robots built for a purpose.

Robot Overlords will be here soon.

I wonder what made them want to switch to electronic based actuators

I have asked over and over on youtube videos of humanoid robots, but never bothered to google it, but I have until recently assumed they had a gyro in their torso to stabilise stuff, like ASIMO or whatever that little early japanese robot had decades ago. But seeing videos where the they do flips I guess a gyro would create inertia against it.

tbf it’s better than elon

I'd be more excited if they did a demonstration of it doing something useful, such as chores.

Interesting perspective. Why not!

I wonder how it greets you…

Wow

Never trust a Muskimate

Who cares dance moves don’t fold my laundry

@raeesali7

Extended version with more dances: https://x.com/Tesla_Optimus/status/1922456791549427867

> Never trust a Musk estimate, they're almost always extremely optimistic. He doesn't have to be quick to market, just FIRST to market, which he invariably is.

Katy Perry?!

Could you DIY it with some backing? I know what you mean tho. When you work on some projects, even simple things can turn into moving mountains. I'm wondering tho, maybe 10 years down the road these robotic arms/legs and the software that drives them are more open source, would it be possible without a corp?

How would we ever know if these videos are real or AI generated?

That’s because someone else already figured (Boston) it out  It’s innovation that takes time not replication

Exactly

Every other robotics company I follow uses AI somewhere in the mix. You're missing some key information if you think they're not using AI.

> The problem is that those tasks don't provide enough value to justify the cost of a single robot that can do all of those things well. I think this will change a lot quicker than people here are anticipating. A full time minimum wage employee in NYC will cost a business 40-50k a year. They will only work certain hours, there will be scheduling issues, they are liable to quit, and if you are paying minimum wage there's a good chance they will be showing up stoned, stealing shit, sexually harassing customers, or doing other things you would expect from the bottom 5% of the labor force. I think a 50k robot that can replace some human workers would sell great to hospitality businesses in HCOL areas.

It’s healthy for people to be skeptical and to be tired of overpromised hype and underdelivered disappointment. The opposite is unhealthy.

Tesla fans have been telling people at previous demos that the movement isn't important, everyone can do that. The autonomy is the distinguishing factor for Tesla.

These are going to be released under the Tesla brand by the way. This should get our TSLA stocks back up to where they were and beyond. 😎👍

I think it's pretty unhealthy to view human technological progress through a lens of capitalistic "overpromised hype", too, but that's clearly what you're doing. You might be disappointed, but I'm not. We didn't have self driving cars or robots that can dance when I was born. Now we do. I can't imagine being mad at that because some company said we'd have it a few years sooner than we do. Ignore the companies and their marketing, just look at the state of the art tech across the board, and realize that's what's exciting.

If you want to see real autonomous robots, look at Boston Dynamics. They look rough, but are real.

There is agility for humanoid robots and there is autonomy. It's a lot easer to motion capture human like movements then for a robot to act human-like when making it's own decisions.

What kind of job has you remotely operate a shake weight?

It's first attempt. They followed this clip up showing it doing a number of different dances untethered.

I'm sure its dance card is full.

Yes, just pressure wash the hell out of it, nevner mind tooth brushes, soap dispencers and decorative items that your wife insist on having in the bathroom :-)

Saying "coming next year" every year probably would lose some motivational power

But can it take a hockey stick to the head and stay standing?

You understand this clip is to show the ability of the robot, the flexibility etc, human like movement.

Tesla is fully self funded. Yes push timelines for results, otherwise no urgency for those working on it and timelines, cost increase. And Yes to your second statement.

"Funding purposes" can also include keeping shareholders interested and potentially willing to put more money into the company, as well as trying to attract new investors

For me it's doing the dishes. Also good for restauraunts.

Lol that robot ain't gonna be able to clean my bathroom...

That's what you came away with from my reply? Let me make it clearer. "...between 2019 and 2022, groups of Tesla employees, privately shared via an internal messaging system sometimes highly invasive videos and images recorded by customers’ car camera, according to interviews by Reuters with nine former employees." I have a M3P but I acknowledge that Tesla isn't always the most transparent or above board. To simplify it to your cinema comparisons, I don't fear Skynet for becoming sentient, Skynet was to be feared long before that.

Well, it's already way more agile than C3PO or a TC droid.

But can it pass butter?

Looking at the hook attached to prevent it from falling, it seems like you still lack confidence.

These random clips of dancing are pointless...how about a video of it cooking, folding laundry, etc. That's the main reason people would want these.

We are almost to sex robots thankgod cant wait

It resembles the moves Elon has done only looks a little less awkward

I can’t even do this. I’m def getting replaced.

Great news! In the grand scheme of automating the things we want to enjoy you will still get to do those things yourself. Meanwhile the robot will be busy couch surfing and fucking your spouse.

Very close

"I DID NOT MURDER HIM!!!"

I want to see it with a fleshlight and a female face ;)

Nice Dancing 😁

Our next DWTS contestant!!

Based on Elon’s dance moves.