Project redwood thoughts?

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My bet is Cybertaxi with a steering wheel, back seat, and a rear window

I can't fathom why they don't take the y and release a minivan body. Or the cybertruck for a sprinter van.

Suppose that's what the robovan is meant to be for

Under 30k after incentives, so probably 35-37k starting price. Which is still a lot cheaper than the current m3 and y.

I say take the Y and make... 1. Stretched 3 row wagon. 2. Small Maverick sized truck I think it's nuts nobody has made a small truck yet. Not everyone needs to tow a yacht 1000 miles!

Ain't no electric truck towing a yacht 1000 miles

A lot cheaper, but that's before you account for insurance and servicing as well so I guess it depends

Sounds about right. There aren't any two-door models, so this would be it.

Yes dear we know

Minivans just don’t sell like SUVs. In 2024, the top selling SUVs (Toyota RAV4, Tesla Model Y, and Honda CR-V) each sold over 400K units in the US. The top selling minivan (Honda Odyssey) only sold 70K-80K units.

Servicing?

Regular vehicle and safety checks, fix whatever fell off since leaving the factory, etc

That's still a market. Sucks because it's the most useful form factor. I'd trade my 1500 truck for a Tesla minivan.

I hate my large truck. It's useful and I need it. But small truck or electric minivan would rule. Esp bc an electric minivan could pull too

Is Tesla still doing that? I thought that turned out to just be the Robotaxi.

Two products are missing. 1. Small cheap hatchback or similar 2. Motor bike These are both very large markets which are being totally ignored by Tesla, to their detriment. As an example, if you have ever watched one of those funny crossign the road in Vietnam videos, you'll see that 90% of vehichesl are mopeds or similar. Likewise, huge sections of the market are also people who have less money than a m3 costs, but still want a cheap small car. If Tesla were to capitalize on these markets it would be ideal in terms of profit for the company, BUT also all the lessons they learn making these new types of vehicles will surely have positive impact on the rest of the fleet too, as any inovations can be exploited even further.

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The robovan looks so ridiculous, it makes the cybertruck look normal. And I say that as someone who kind of likes the look of the cybertruck.

Roadster missing too…

I was thinking deconted, lower battery range trims.

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Lara said he worked with the team as recently as last Tuesday so it is still happening, but anybody’s guess as to when.

I always assumed it was. Are those things supposed to be reconfigurable?

Probably too small of a market to be worth entering. It's not gonna move the needle.

This seems like the most likely thing to me.

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Do a GTI like hot hatch and beat Rivian to the R3X they are waiting to long to put out. Lars said cheaper but he will not do worse. So a simple no frills 3 like Mexico got with cloth seats.

I just want a minivan.

Do you not account for that the 3 and Y?

The 25k car was cancelled because of the cybercab. Doesnt make sense to go smaller anyway as they really need a true SUV or van

Huh?

An obvious possibility would be to sell the Robotaxi (or a similar small car on that same new platform) as a “model 2”

I think robotaxis is way of to bee allowed in Europe.

I’m thinking it’s going to be the same body as the 3 or y just with many features removed to reduce the cost of manufacturing. Call it a different model and have a cheaper option but no need for completely new assembly lines

Cyberburban with van doors would have been awesome. I don't want to camp in a truck bed, I want a decent SUV like the R1S to camp inside of during road trips.

That's what I've understood also. It would be damn great if Tesla had a new compact car aimed at city dwellers, in addition to the current large cars. But if that were to happen, we would have already seen leaks and prototypes testing on the roads. We haven't seen a single leak or prototype, so I don't think Tesla is doing one.

Tesla should snap up canoo as their design was actually nice. Pity they failed But would be cool to see what ideas Tesla has for this segment

No ATV

Why is there a mod message stating post not allowed but we see the post clearly?

So, Roadster just completely and literally out of the picture, now?

Tired of those empty promises…

Wish they would make a hatchback in stianless - something like an early 80s Audi or GTI

The bot is so stupid.

No, small chance it gets reintroduced this year. Franz just said he had a meeting with the engineers like last week and they’re working with Space X to get the thrusters to work right

i think the issue is anything significantly smaller than a sedan will be dramatically more dangerous and Tesla prides itself on safety

maybe a digital rearview mirror instead of a rear window

Why make affordable vehicles when you can incentivize cities to privatize public transit, and use political bribes to create new monopolies instead?

It’s a dystopian rolly-poly, and looks like it came off the set of Riddick.

A biodiesel hybrid would.

You’ll lose. Cybercab was optimized for its purpose, and adding those things back in, would create a Frankenstein vehicle.

What happened to the roadster?

That thing in the back looks like it came straight outta iRobot.

Effectively canceled in favor of the cybertruck

In the UK this would sell like hot pies

Either a robotaxi with a steering wheel or a decontented model 3

You could get the R1S.

It'll likely be an ex30 competitor since it's already pretty cheap for what you get and a big market they've have yet to fill

It's a consideration or the R2S. A new R1S is not in my budget plans. I paid off my 3 last year and have no plans to have a car payment for a while as it is, but it's not the best option for sleeping in the back on road trips. I have slept in my 3 at least a dozen times though. It's just cramped.

Yep. They talked about it a bit on the Ride the Lightning podcast this week. Sounds like it's coming out this year.

What do you mean by a "few hundred max"?

It's a market, but a much smaller market than what they plan on addressing with the low cost M2.

Really? I get optimistic early 20th century vibes.

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Model q will be completely different from cybercab/robotaxi and from model y/3. It has to be. Cybercab seats and doors don’t fit what a driver would / could use. Smaller model y would’ve been done ages ago. This is a completely new car they’re making

Can’t possibly be any less safer than any other small car commonly seen in Europe can it?

For example Cupra Born is 40cm smaller than Model 3 and it has still quite good ratings [https://imgur.com/dIVNuAL](https://imgur.com/dIVNuAL)

they could've built an entire different trunk that's 2x cheaper to make than the cybertruck, and at similar price as m3 & my, it would have outsold the model y in the US. I still can't believe how many trucks the US sells every year. it's crazy

Is Metropolis really optimistic?

Changed their mind?

Robotaxi and Robovan didn't leak, so it's not too surprising this one hasn't.

VP of Engineering said they are still working on it because they realized they can do more than they thought.

Finally someone who says its not cybercab lol it's not a cybercab with an added steering wheel drivers seat would be wayyy too far back.

People are super hyped about the R3X. That or 1990s S10 or Ranger size truck would be an amazing EV

It prob auto removed the post cause it ends with a question mark

My question is will the robotaxi come with FSD or do you have to pay another $8k for your car to function lol

it was leaked. there was a photo shows smaller car next to model y juniper in Texas Giga parking lot

Not welcome in Canada.

It has a steering wheel. I’m surprised that Tesla seems to have successfully revealed and ramped their cheaper model with hardly anyone noticing. The Cybercabs without steering wheels literally have error messages on their screens stating that the steering wheel isn’t attached.

Roadster?

Just drive the X on chill. There's your minivan.

No way in hell are they calling in model 2. That doesn’t even make any sense lmao, that’s got to be my favourite made up name for that car that I’ve seen on here forever

I absolutely agree but I don't know where the wiggle room is in price, since the Mexico variant discount wasn't extreme. If they want more than 4k in savings, the car needs to have less mass and a smaller battery. Ditching the glass roof and sharing some of the manufacturing improvements from the cybercab line, while still using the m3 platform should be possible.

Oh. I have not seen this. Can you share it, that is awesome if true.

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they have cancelled $25k car, at least that's what they stated multiple times. But in every shareholder deck every quarter they mention cheaper model is coming, so presumably they now aim for $30k car. I am curious what it will be, since Model 3 was already selling for $35k (or slightly more) before they cancelled short range version. $5k doesn't seem like that significant price change to go warrant a new model, but maybe it will be significantly better for the price?

More of a self driving people carrier you can hire called the robovan. It was revealed with the cybercab (pictured left)

I doubt they'd call it model 2 either since they're leaning more into the cyber branding even if it sounds a bit dumb. I wouldn't be surprised if they called it the cyburban when it's announced

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No roadster 2.0

Yes and no. All rumors and leaks point to the original "Projected Redwood" aka the $25k car built using the next-gen platform and unboxed manufacturing process being cancelled or at least paused indefinitely. It would have basically just been a consumer version of the Robotaxi with the same tech and manufacturing methods, and was planned to be built on brand new production lines. Tesla however has said in their recent earnings statements that they do have more affordable models coming in the first half of this year, based partly on existing platforms (ie the Model 3 and Model Y) that will be built on existing production lines. But they also say the cost savings will not be as great as originally planned, so they are probably no longer targeting $25k.

If “SEXY CARS ROCK” plays out, they might end up calling it kompact, or model K. Breakdown s,3,x,y cybercab, ATV, roadster, semi Robovan, Optimus, cybercab, *kompact*?

Most likely 2 for 2 S3XY

I think it’s likely it has it’s own unique name since that is what all the new cars have been named. It could definitely be cyber something if they design it angular like the cab/bus/truck. But I don’t see it being massively appealing if it has anything resembling the CT design which is off putting to the majority of people.

Not just off putting but I doubt would be legal outside of america if they made it angular. I bet it's just going to be a beefed up cybercab with 4 doors, steering wheel and pedals. More like a toyota chr or volvo ex30 but with tesla badges

I think it will be a dumbed down 3, smaller, no rear screen, no ambient lights etc anything unnecessary they will cut and that’s how they will get down to the cheaper price, it won’t be a cybercab with a steering wheel

I heard that they were absolutely not selling a cyber cap with a wheel ? Can you send me a link with these reports messages ? A cybercab with a wheel would be so cool if it can undercut a model 3 and still has the cool doors

That’s what I’m saying to, it’s gonna be a new design mass manufacturing those doors on that cheap of a car doesn’t make sense to me

I mean the Plaid pretty much took its spot at the old speed specs, and the Model Y and 3 were a bigger focus for the company as they are a majority of sales. Also energy production has been ramping. And yea they did say design was finalized but that doesn’t mean everything is. Batteries are still a big reason most of their cars are the way they are and building more batteries is tricky

They’ve said the cheaper vehicle is coming in the first half of this year. They do road testing of a vehicle ~4 months before release. Which means if they weren’t testing it this week, they’d be too late to release in the first half of this year. Oh hey, what’s getting road tested right now? The Cybercabs. With steering wheels. For “testing”.

Interesting, I just got a model 3 id be upset rn if the cybercab was 4 doors it looks so cool

The four door Cybercab is the Model 3, so I don’t think you need to worry about that. If the Cybercab majorly cuts into sales of the 3 we might see steep price cuts on the 3 though…

But bigger than model 3 yes?

it was speculated just a new model y performance model as the exterior look exactly the same as the new y tho

No roadster?

CyBerban

There’s a Cybertruck prototype that has a instrument cluster like S/X and had a Model X displayed. So yes there’s very likely chance.

Couldn't they have just used an xbox controller?

Coming way later than expected, but will fly.

Wheres the new gen roadster?

It’s gonna be a cybercab with a steering wheel. It’s super obvious.

Do you think it might have anything to do with this somehow? Just a thought [steering wheel leak](https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-y-juniper-steering-wheel-hints-at-cybertruck-steer-by-wire/amp/)

I really hope they just focus on a Toyota Sienna killer. SUV/minivan is what we need

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Your forgetting the 20k foundation fee