Here is a link to NHSTA official page https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2025/TESLA/CYBERTRUCK%252520(ALL%252520VARIANTS)/PU%25252FCC/AWD
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I’m excited to see what Cybertruck haters have to say about this because, on all the forums I follow about the Cybertruck, the biggest argument has always been that it’s the most dangerous pickup truck. Now, I don’t know what excuse they’ll come up with next, but this just satisfies me in a way 😂 Edit: forgot to add to the text The Cybertruck had the lowest overall probability of injury & lowest chance of rollover of any pickup truck tested by the NHTSA.
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lol. No one should have expected differently. Tesla takes a lot of pride in their safety. The masses will be in shambles. Or will claim it’s doge manipulation.
Redditors are gonna absolutely love this. Who am I kidding — they're gonna bury it and upvote any video they can find of a Cybertruck getting stuck in snow or something (as if any vehicle is immune from stuff like that). These people don't care about the truth. All they care about is furthering the narrative of their political tribe. If that means spreading misinformation, so be it.
They will probably argue now that pedestrians and other cars are in danger. It never ends
If anything it's the most dangerous truck to be struck by. The criticism remains doing truck things well
Cybertruck actually has a smaller frontal blind spot than pretty much any modern pickup truck of its size, due to its nose being angled downward rather than forming a tall vertical wall. So it's excellent in that respect as well (for its class, of course; it's not gonna beat a sedan there).
I dare someone to post this in the electric vehicle sub.
They’re gonna threaten violence against the car/owner, or do a repost of one that’s been spray painted with some shit.
I think the biggest issue has not been the safety of the occupants, but rather the safety of whatever/whomever it hits. Anecdotal, (I don't ingest much news about the CT) early news articles all talked about pedestrian safety, especially from EU sources I'd like to see NCAP testing results to have multiple sources of data
How do you figure it's the most dangerous? Any data to back that up, or is it pure conjecture? What "truck things"? If you just mean towing large loads hundreds of miles at a time, then I agree with you. Electric trucks suck for that. But everything else? Seems pretty excellent to me. Large bed with a high payload capacity, tons of ground clearance, lots of power and torque, etc.
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Why do you assume that?
Holy crap reddit in absolute shambles lmao
I gotchu
Teslas were involved in the most accidents of any car brand. So either their FSD is garbage or their drivers are. Here's part of the Forbes paper Tesla’s cars are once again involved in the most accidents according to a study by LendingTree insurance. It found that Tesla drivers are involved in more accidents than drivers of any other brand. Some of these accidents involved Tesla’s self-driving system. Nationally, Tesla drivers had 26.67 accidents per 1,000 drivers. This was up from 23.54 last year. The Ram and Subaru brands were again among the most accident-prone. Ram had 23.15 per 1,000 drivers while Subaru had 22.89. The study is based on QuoteWizard by LendingTree insurance inquiries from Jan. 1, 2024, through Dec. 31, 2024. They analyzed the 30 brands with the most inquiries in this period. This study categorizes drivers based on inquiries made for those brands.
Safe, doesn’t equal good..
Serious question. Wasn’t that always the concern? I don’t think people thought the cybertruck was unsafe for its occupants, but everyone else would be like a semi hitting you. With that said, I’ve seen some videos of people destroying F150s and cybertrucks and nothing suggest it would be any different than one of those hitting you.
That was argued from the moment it was unveiled, where have you been?
Yup, I'm surprised people think this. The unorthodox shape actually does have its advantages.
Exactly. This thread is bizaree. No one was doubting the safety of the *occupants* of Cybertrunk, it's pedestrians and cyclists that need to be worried.
That was always the main concern.
You a real one.
Most dangerous for others, not the occupants. Who has said it's dangerous for those inside?
lol. Found one.
Lmao and that’s somehow unreasonable?
But but Cyber truck sucks.
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Driving tank protects you from collisions. _More at 11._ In seriousness, this doesn’t surprise me at all. The thing is quite literally built like a tank, so it would follow that the driver would be protected in the event of collisions. The low center of gravity on Teslas and their excellent airbag system also play a big role I’m sure. I wouldn’t want to be the person rear ended or T-boned by a Cybertruck, but it doesn’t come as any shock that the driver is going to be safe.
Projecting your sick fantasies 🤢
You mean lies yes.
Hmmm I’ve seen data from other studies showing the opposite. Oh well.
I guess it doesn't really matter anymore because someone is really busy dismantling any federal agencies who have any oversight over safety, science, medicine, money. There will be no more ratings because there will be no oversight.
To shreds you say?
Ok whatever, I've seen multiple that say the same thing I just posted.
My non data-backed guess is that the acceleration and torque that Teslas provide makes gunning it appealing to people who aren’t used to that level of speed. Thus, inexperienced drivers who are coming from owning Camrys, CRVs, Civics, etc. aren’t used to that acceleration and it gets away from them. Not that you seem particularly interested in a rational explanation.
They'll be ok, the trucks are always in the shop
Probably that it fucking obliterates other cars it hits
Unfortunately, I don’t think Euro NCAP is even going to test the Cybertruck because it won’t come to Europe anyways.
\>group of schoolkids you can't see This would apply to any vehicle. But much less to a CT due to its angled nose and obstacle warning system. But that doesn't fit your narrative, I know.
Justify it however you want.
Did you post it? Was it deleted?
Your "non-data guess" is NOTHING more than a guess.
Front is more like a van (not a bad thing)
That was always the argument? The US is wildly behind Europe, where safety ratings also include what happens when a vehicle strikes pedestrians and cyclists. And before you @ me as a hater, I stood in line for my Model 3 before it was publicly unveiled.
Yea someone getting hit by an f150 usually does no damage.
I didn’t have to go far to find the [doge manipulation](https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/s/q2UUs5oiGE) comment.
They are also going to pretend that this was some kind of conspiracy or rigged. Bad news for the r/electricvehicles headcases - the testing was done while Biden was in office.
This testing was at least done during the Biden admin.
Surely not! I was told by reddit experts that it was a coffin on wheels.
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Strawman. Who said anything about an F150? And for the record, yes, they can cause great damage as well. What's your point?
Safety is usually through crumple zones. The opposite of a tank. If the car doesn’t absorb the impact your body will. Also it has a low hood. Much lower than most pickups which push pedestrians over instead of under which is preferred…unlike most pickups.
In severe accidents the front subframe still crumples to absorb impact. In fact, it might be better that the force of impact is transmitted through a giant steel plate instead of smaller bumper bars - better at distributing the load across more structural members of the recipient car (think arrow vs. rock). Plastic cosmetic bumpers do jack shit to absorb impact in a serious accident.
It’s still a safe car. It’s mostly the drivers’ fault. It’s so enticing driving such a fast car for its price size. First time I drove a Tesla, I basically floor it every time, but I made sure it was safe every time
Only post up is a very weird title odd
I am both impressed and confused as to how a car with virtually zero crumple zones got a 5 star rating from NHSTA. I wonder how badly it would perform on Euro NCAP's pedestrian safety tests. It looks absolutely lethal to pedestrians with the sharp corners and hard exoskeleton.
Love it.
He ded
Don't Tesla's always receive 5 stars for safety?
I had to help shovel a neighbours jeep out of the snow that wasn’t super deep because the front right wheel was not moving. It just happens, its even worse for heavier F-150s that get stuck incredibly easily
I still have to deal with hearing people think Teslas “just catch fire”, ive given up trying to explain anything to these people
Unfortunately the truck bed loses points for the tall bed sides which make it much more annoying to actually access the bed. That's a pretty core "truck thing".
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bbut it doeSNT hAVe eNOugH CrumPle ZONe
5 Star rated SUV says A okay UsA?
To shreds you say?
No impossible reddit is a place of truth and no opinion. Like wikipedia pfffffffft (fart sound)
Where I live we have an extremely high concentration of Tesla's. On our local city subreddits you commonly see complaints about Tesla drivers driving poorly. Tesla is more of a tech brand than a car brand and as such, it attracts non-car people to cars because they see it as the latest gadget. So yeah, I agree, that if you take someone who doesn't care for driving, give them the ability to accelerate 7000lbs of sharp steel to 60mph in 3 seconds... you're going to run into some issues. But hey, at least the occupants will be safe.
For me, the best safety feature is the fact that Cybertruck handles like a nimble little car on the road. Tesla will have to make another drive by wire car for me to switch cars.
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I have no idea what the integrity is of that LendingTree study is, but we do know that Tesla's vision-based collision avoidance system is literally the best of any car, based on official government testing: https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/tesla/model+y/46618
But that's exactly what the anti-tesla folks said on **why** the CT id dangerous. The reasons other Tesla cars are the best of the best when it comes to safety, is among others the crumple zones and shock absortion. Tesla designs their other cars amazingly so the maximum amount of shock is going through the car and around the passengers, thus reducing the hazard for them and making it safer. They always argued, and tbh I believed them, that the CT's "tanky" features makes it a death trap when it would come to shock absortion, since supposedly none will happen really with how strong it is. And so that raises the question - how did the CT receive 5 stars?? Also, why did they wait a whole year for this, does anybody know?
You think car safety ratings are going to stop? Want to bet?
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Everyone who regurgitated the "no crumple zone" BS. Now they'll just move the goalposts.
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Which is wild because, as far as I can tell, there’s been two EV fires ever in my state. Meanwhile, I personally know two families that have had their house burned down by their gas vehicle, and have witnessed at least 5 more vehicles that have just lit off while parked.
wait for the IIHS ratings......
When has that ever stopped anyone from blaming their preferred target
The front subframe is designed to progressively shatter, absorbing a ton of energy in the process. Since the subframe is below the vehicle, the results are not as obvious looking at a post crash picture. The stainless front end also has a rebound effect, that helps absorb lower speed impacts.
I literally said that.
Also my Tesla wont kill me and my entire family if I "leave it running" in the garage by accident.
Why stop there, put it in the cars sub
My fantasy is people driving normal sized vehicles.
Any 7000 lb truck going at highway speeds will seriously injure a pedestrian or cyclist…. That’s the point, just because the CT has an angular shape and is made of SS doesn’t mean it’s a flying samurai sword that decapitates everyone as it drives by
[Redditors](https://youtu.be/p46AXCtue9c?si=1Ixn3ZNE3AVKwczP) right now 😂
My guy, there’s nothing to “justify.” Accidents don’t just happen in a vacuum. Accidents are caused by drivers and their behavior, other drivers, faulty technology, mechanical breakdown, weather conditions, or any number of factors. That’s true of any car make. I’m not sure what’s got you so bent out of shape but I hope your day gets better.
>It looks absolutely lethal to pedestrians Certain folks in Europe may be very interested
My day is fine just so you know. You sound pretty upset like a lil child tho. I showed the data.
That is a downside, I agree. I'd argue the excellent automatic tonneau cover that makes it easily coverable and lockable with full integration with the software outweighs that downside though.
Soon to be the last time any of this shit is trusted.
Oddly, there are two reigions that care enough about pedestrian safety to introduce tests to see how safe cars are for people other than than people in the car (Europe and Australia with the NCAP and ANCAP tests), and neither will allow the Cybertruck to be driven on their roads. Sorry, did I say oddly? I meant, completely understandably.
You're right, no one should be driving those either.
Pretty silly comparison. If the doors on your car were quirky in a way that made vehicle access difficult, you wouldn't waive it off because the doors automatically lock really well.
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Oh man that’s hilarious 😂
This is because of Sentry Mode my dude, sorry to bust your bubble.
You showed the numbers supplied in an article, that isn’t “the data” good sir…
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Automatic locking doors are a standard thing on cars, so that's a bad example. If the doors made access more difficult but they were also significantly better than other doors in another important way, then it might be better overall.
Sentry mode is just a security and theft deterrent.
You’re right that the safety of pedestrians was definitely a big complaint seen on reddit, but there were still many threads on the cybertruck not being safe for the drivers because the steel won’t crumple. Happy to see they were wrong, and once again the car company known for their amazing safety ratings, continued that tradition
A lot of weirdos in this comment section
Well it’s not really a tank and just a truck, so that’s probably how it got five stars.
Do you disagree? That's always been the main argument I've seen people make against the CT besides it's ugly design.
Why is that subreddit so toxic and anti-Tesla?
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A large part of the discrepancy is that Tesla didn’t build the Cybertruck the way they originally said they would. The original concept was a structural exoskeleton rather than a traditional autobody, and that kind of a design *would* have significant safety implications. But at the end of the day the Cybertruck is just a conventional unibody and the exterior is essentially just decorative rather than structural. Given that it’s internally built like any other EV, it’s not too surprising that it also performed similarly in crash tests.
To be fair, those are two very valid pieces of criticism that have been around since the moment the CT was revealed.
This is typical, the Model X also took a year from first release to crash ratings.
And the footage it catches results in more insurance claims which attributes to accident rates reported by insurance companies.
Safe = safe Also: Mono = one Rail = rail
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Are you honestly arguing that reddit's view up until this point has been, "Cybertruck is about as dangerous as other similarly-sized trucks"?
The only thing I argued was that people's concerns were never about the occupants of a CyberTruck, but the people outside of it. Which is simply a fact. You're just working yourself up and arguing with yourself.
Well, part of why people are wrong is that the design has drastically changed. It’s not a monocoque shell anymore, it’s a unibody with stainless panels. That seriously changes how it would react in a collision
yeah no, i’m talking about comments from AFTER production started
They design with safety in mind first. The Cybertruck is new and not your typical car it was questionable.
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Without the metrics used to derive those answers it's all hearsay. For example an Ambulette hit me, I made a claim against the other driver's insurance. I was not at fault because the car's dash cam is recording in all angles (sides, front, and rear) and I filed a claim against their insurance.
Larger cars are safer than lighter cars all other things held equal. However, nothing is ever equal.
either way, who the hell takes pride in a car getting a 5 star safety rating? did you engineer it yourself? get a grip
Who said it's the "most dangerous for others". I think all we can say is its MORE dangerous than it would be if it was lighter. Its very possible its ability to detect and avoid or decrease collision speeds makes others safer than they are with a compact car that has no passive or active driver assistance features.
Hasn’t the primary criticism been that the design is bad for vehicles/pedestrians hit by it? Teslas are well know for protecting passengers well during high speed collisions.
Safety of the occupant. Not safety period.
Thats very true. But other cars dont have the FSD system built in. It will take over and avoid collisions that other cars are unable to avoid. Depending on the driver and context the CT be safer than a Camry that doesn't have built-in situational awareness.
You are right that it's a criticism. It also ignores that Tesla has the best driver safety systems and situational awareness that works to avoid or decrease collisions that function even if you have not paid for them. But no one has actually proven either thing to be true. Crash tests are all we got.
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So far, yes. Generally record setting for safety.
I think it’s fair to say occupant safety has been the single objective for ratings until recently. That literally was the objective.
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Don't play dumb and act like redditors don't pile on Cybertruck while F-150 and other pickup trucks that are arguably less safe get way less negativity. He's calling these people out for that stupidity, and he's right. This is all just political tribalism.
No, it is proven to be true. Tesla's vision-based collision avoidance system scored higher than literally any system on any other car in official government tests: https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/tesla/model+y/46618
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If tall sides are a concern you’re not going to like comparison data from other trucks. ChatGPT just offered this nugget on a similarly sized truck: The height from the ground to the top of the bed side rail on a new Ram 1500 varies based on factors such as trim level, wheel and tire size, and suspension setup. While specific measurements can differ, a general estimate places this height at approximately 55 to 60 inches. ———— So 55-60” is fine then? Reaching in 4.5 to 5 foot up to access the sides is ok? With a depth of 22” that’d mean you’d have to be tall with long arms to place an item in the bed of a new Ram 1500. But somehow the CT is too much?
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I'm afraid you've completely missed the point, Love. The point is the cyber truck is a triangle and the top of that triangle adds extra height to the bed sides that traditional pickups don't have. It has nothing to do with the distance from the ground.
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“BuT gAs CaRs CaNt SpOnTaNeOuSlY CoMbUsT!!?!?!” Sure they can, EVs can too, but a Christmas tree or a refrigerator, or anything in your house can too. Don’t think they remember the Samsung Galaxy Note 7 or the earlier Chevy Bolt with battery issues, if electric batteries were such a hazard for spontaneous combustion, we’d absolutely know, and every car would be recalled
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Yup, it will never be approved for roads in Europe.
The DOGE effect
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Like most American trucks.
True, but most american trucks are denied for size reasons only. The Cybertruck had more issues.
This logic doesn't sound as edgy bit completely true.
What about the safety rating of a pedestrian being hit by that beast?
EuroNCAP has included pedestrian safety for more than a decade
So you will survive a crash but still be a huge dork driving a fancy tuna can
Yeah Tesla has its issues, imo, but safety ratings isn’t one of them. There’s plenty of other things people can hate on.
Is that true? I've see F150 in Germany. No Hummer H3 yet though.
From what I understand there's a loophole where you can import American pickups currently even if they don't follow the normal regulations. I don't know if the F150 is abusing that loophole or if it's just following regulations as usual.
I wonder if Maddow is going to embarrass herself again. I swear, she must have some sort of kink.
Recently as in more than a decade.
Well I'd argue that crash avoidance systems helps both occupants and other drivers/pedestrians no?
As well as ANCAP. (Australia/New Zealand)
Only questionable because it wasn’t tested… yet. But now it has been so people can complain about everything about it except how “unsafe” it is
But the important question is...did you take a video of it, post it for karma and then proceed to talk about how much you hate Jeeps all day, while feeling smug? /s
Seems every EV related sub these days just jerks each other off on how bad Tesla is.
The thing which freaked me out was modern fridges exploding.....
Nope, too many sharp frontages. Would literally slice people in half. It will never get approval in anything other than 3rd world countries.
Had to deal with a guy like this at my office. Back in 2019-ish there was a Tesla that caught fire in a parking garage in Shanghai, and he comes over to my desk to strike up a conversation about it, and I had to shut him down on it. Meanwhile, one of my other coworkers *literally* had their ICE vehicle catch fire in the office parking lot. Dude replaced it with a Tesla. Some folks prefer to just read headlines and not do research.
The number of articles I've seen where a family dies because they bought a new car and didn't understand how to properly turn it off because it was silent, and updated... It's like Anton Yelchin dying because the company who made his car made how you put it in park weird, so he thought he had it in park, then it rolled into him, pinning him against a wall or something. Tesla throws itself in park when you seatbelt is not plugged in, and your ass lifts off the driver's seat. Safety, safety, safety.
[LendingTree article was bullshit](https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/18lnr3v/tesla_has_the_highest_accident_rate_of_any_auto/ke1f3cp/)
[It's not something I would trust](https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/18lnr3v/tesla_has_the_highest_accident_rate_of_any_auto/ke1f3cp/)
Never fails to make me chuckle how folks move the goal posts.
Well, the moderate overlap crash test is a lot more rigorous than the straight on frontal crash That Mary very well perform just as good. We'll just have to wait and see
Tesla's not going to make a vehicle that doesn't perform as well as it's other models. They'd get nailed to the cross for it, and all the major publications would go nuts with a story like that. We'll see indeed, but I think we'll just end up seeing more of the same.
I'm not doubting the potential for good results,
So did Rivian.
If Tesla follows the same logic of software stack as their other models then I would say it should be safer compared to other vehicles in its class. Their other models tests pretty high in Europe's NCAP.
Because the company is run by a selfish prick.
One of the issues might be that it is a difficult fire to fight.
Why do you care what everyone thinks, or if they like watching videos showing off the lameness of a cybertruck. You love your truck..... cool, enjoy it! I happen to think they are ugly as heck, but we all like different things.
Reddit is going to be in shambles
I'm a liberal, but I'm ashamed of people like Maddow. She is everything she claims to criticize among the right wing nut jobs.
Are you lying or just misinformed? [https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/vehicles-with-higher-more-vertical-front-ends-pose-greater-risk-to-pedestrians](https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/vehicles-with-higher-more-vertical-front-ends-pose-greater-risk-to-pedestrians)
There are no vehicles designed to protect other vehicles in accidents. The CT is the safest truck for peds due to its low nose. Flat, tall faces like those in products like the F150, etc are vastly worse. [https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/vehicles-with-higher-more-vertical-front-ends-pose-greater-risk-to-pedestrians](https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/vehicles-with-higher-more-vertical-front-ends-pose-greater-risk-to-pedestrians)
What car on the market is designed to protect other cars around it in an accident? You do know what safety ratings are and how they work, right?
Safety isn't a good thing or a hallmark of good engineering?
I just care about the truth. And the truth is that Cybertruck is an excellent truck by almost every metric. Those videos you've seen are lies. Name literally any truck model and I can find you a video of it getting stuck is something. Do you think a video of a truck getting stuck proves anything? Surely you're smarter than that. I don't own a Cybertruck or even want one. I have no need for a pickup truck. But I own a Model 3 and have seen the lies put out about it and other Tesla cars by politics-obsessed redditors, so I know they're lying about Cybertruck too. My Model 3 is excellent and I love it.
Safest truck on the road. Every inch above 40” decreases pedestrian safety. Cyber is 43” Silverado is 61”
yes. The occupant is the one buying it
In Europe, the safety rating system also rates the car for safety of people outside the vehicle.
Their other models don’t have the same attributes as this vehicle though, eg: rigid stainless steel material, pointy/sharp corners, high front end which tends to push people down under the vehicle rather than over the hood.
>Tesla throws itself in park when you seatbelt is not plugged in, and your ass lifts off the driver's seat. Tesla is so good at this, I honestly don't even put my car in park anymore. I just roll to a stop and open the door. Boom, park. When I'm in a rush I sometimes open the door before the car completely stops, slamming it in park at 1/10th a MPH I know it's probably not a good habit, but I don't drive any other car, or ever plan to, and I'm not brain dead and know to modify my habits when in someone else's vehicle. :D
Smaller lighter cars are safer for both pedestrians and other drivers. And who said that the other trucks and full size monster suvs are acceptable also? This is just part of a stupid trend for bigger and bigger cars. Also unless I see proof for pedestrian safety test with the cypertruck I can see how that sharp nose evens out it being lower making it just as unsafe as any other truck.
Yes, for sure. I’m referring to vehicle design - for example, the European vehicle safety rating system also takes into account safety for people outside the vehicle. So vehicles like CT with a high front end and sharp, pointy corners will score lower than, say, Model 3.
I responded to “They design with safety in mind first.” They meaning Tesla. If they were designing with safety of everyone in mind first, they wouldn’t design a vehicle with rigid, sharp cornered panels and a high front end.
Tesla also makes the small Model 3 if people want a smaller vehicle. Why are you hand wringing about the CT when the F150 is even larger? "Sharp nose..." What?
The vehicle is oversized already so everything else is moot. It automatically won't be sold in Europe since it's a pickup. The engineering behind the pedestrian aspect argument would be, since the front hood is lower/slanted it gives the drivers more visibility vs traditional pickup. The other is the tech used is the same for the standard active safety features (no autopilot/FSD). Which have scored high in NCAP testing for Model 3/Y. The physical attributes regarding sharp corners won't change. But getting hit with anything above 20 mph by any heavy object is already fatal.
? All I said was that it was reasonable to look into pedestrian safety and the safety of other drivers. Why is that so hard for you to understand. It doesn’t matter if smaller cars exist. Larger trucks and vehicles for just going to the grocery store is dumb and increases risk of death to others for no reason. This is a bigger problem in america in general, where ego, greed and status are bigger priority than lives. I’ll give credit that the ct does have better visibility (presumably) because of the lower nose, but that’s only relative to other bad trucks. Trucks should be for commercial use only and even then vans are usually better to carry tools and materials around. New trucks are now just family cars with a small bed, filled with luxury and used for status first and work second. And full sizes suvs are just as big and should be replaced with vans or wagons for carrying around a large family like in the past. They are only here because the government gave trucks a pass on new epa regulations and so it was cheaper to make trucks and suv classified as trucks. Vans and wagons can do 90% of what the smaller trucks do but better, safer for everyone, and better mpg. How many times have you seen a fleet work truck that has an enclosed bed cover. Guess what that could’ve been a van with more space that you could even walk into to get you stuff. If you need to haul rocks or dirt use a trailer or a dump truck. But guess what must people don’t do jack with their truck. [here’s a link to post that shows how the increase in car sizes increases death for the other car](https://www.threads.net/@tomkarlo/post/C_Yd3g9NYr4)
I'm aware, I also like that Euro NCAS publishes all their test videos to enhance transparency. Would love to see the same for the Cybertruck! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKaN3f2zmCQ&ab\_channel=EuroNCAP](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKaN3f2zmCQ&ab_channel=EuroNCAP)
What you're complaining about is American culture - vehicles like the CT just exist to fill a need in the market. Plenty of owners use their vehicles as they are designed - be it towing or filling the bed. Plenty of people do not. If people are going to buy a large vehicle - and they get a CT - at least they are getting one with a vastly smaller environmental footprint than any ICE or hybrid CUV, SUV, or truck out there.
It's a natural devolution of an echochamber, Mark Andressen described Reddit as going from an "ideas marketplace" to an "idea marketplace", where special interests and peoples ideologies are protected rather than challenged. Combined with the last few years: - Google updating their algo to highly-prioritize Reddit links (the road to hell is paved with best intentions) - Therefore becoming the target of WAY more bots and special-interest dollars to make sure certain ideologies are perpetuated, as Google top-results are de-facto information retrieval. - It also became the target of ALL the bots/circle-jerk/special-interest dollars that came from the purge of Twitter/X. It's very interesting to read the insane, blatant untrue or illogical things upvoted because it's just what people *want* to believe, all while legitimate conversation or idea-challenging is downvoted or reduced to name-calling. This toxic behaviour exists no matter the political affiliation, but Reddit has spiraled into an extremely one-sided intellectually-safe-space.
I never singled out the ct. yes I’m complaining about all of them. And it’s both the culture and the company’s that pushed this due to the inadequate regulations from the government letting trucks get a pass on safety and environmental factors. These ego stroking trucks just shouldn’t be allowed to exist. And ev trucks are in someways worst because they are just so much worse at towing than gas trucks. Towing heavy stuff is really the only thing that trucks are needed for vs vans. And the ct is obviously the biggest ego stroking vehicle out there so it’s gonna get the biggest amount of flak even if it is better at being used as a family car vs the typical pickup due to pollution and stuff.
You're disregarding the entire result of the NCAP result: Teslas avoid humans. Period. The best accident is no accident. The solution to "save people" is obviously "avoid/stop the impact" not "make this 5000lb machine rounded like safety scissors". This is a software issue, not a shape/physics issue. 5000lb is going to take a human down, no matter how bubbly its front end is as the skull slams into the windshield. In typical fashion, if we asked Europe how to reduce Pedestrian fatalities, they'd make the cars out of bubble wrap
The solution to "save people" is obviously "avoid/stop the impact" not "make this 5000lb machine rounded like safety scissors". This is a software issue, not a shape/physics issue. 5000lb is going to take a human down, no matter how bubbly its front end is as the skull slams into the windshield. Luckily, Europe NCAP results show that Teslas avoid/brake for pedestrians better than any other manufacturer, actually avoiding the accident altogether vs. minimizing damage.
EV trucks are vastly better at towing than gas trucks due to their instant torque and massive power. They just add inconvenience relative to time over LONG distances. Most towing outings are very short in nature, therefore EV trucks win 99% of the time. The CT is a practical vehicle for a large family. Tons of lockable storage, a bed for home projects or trips, and fantastic drive characteristics. It's much more refined than my Rivian around town.
> It automatically won’t be sold in Europe since it’s a pickup. There are pickups in Europe, they’re just not common. > getting hit with anything above 20 mph by any heavy object is already fatal. This is not true. The fatality rate varies based on the type of vehicle, etc., but most are survived at 20mph: > At speeds of 20-39 mph, 3 out of 10 crashes with SUVs (30 percent) resulted in a pedestrian fatality, compared with 5 out of 22 for cars (23 percent). At 40 mph and higher, all three crashes with SUVs killed the pedestrian (100 percent), compared with 7 out of 13 crashes involving cars (54 percent). https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/new-study-suggests-todays-suvs-are-more-lethal-to-pedestrians-than-cars
> You’re disregarding the entire result of the NCAP result: Teslas avoid humans. Period. The best accident is no accident. Sorry, that’s just silly. No vehicle can avoid people 100% of the time. If a 3 year old runs out in front of a vehicle at the last moment, no tech is going to save them. Passive safety design of the vehicle is also crucial to reduce deaths. > The solution to “save people” is obviously “avoid/stop the impact” not “make this 5000lb machine rounded like safety scissors”. This is a software issue, not a shape/physics issue. 5000lb is going to take a human down, no matter how bubbly its front end is as the skull slams into the windshield. Vehicle weight is also an issue, yes. A heavy vehicle will do more damage, all else being equal. But you can still reduce damage for that weight class through other design factors. > In typical fashion, if we asked Europe how to reduce Pedestrian fatalities, they’d make the cars out of bubble wrap ….I don’t know what to say to this, to be honest. Europe has vehicle safety standards and ratings, same as the US. They are designed to reduce pedestrian fatalities. You can look them up if you’re curious. They don’t involve bubble wrap.
There are american trucks in EU, at least there are plenty of Ram trucks in NL and germany.
> If a 3 year old runs out in front of a vehicle at the last moment, no tech is going to save them Neither is rounding off the hood of the 3000-7000lb vehicle traveling at any speed. Tech has done more to save pedestrians than design ever has, and removing human drivers will be the closest we get to zero-fatalities.
Depends what you mean by “tech”. Eg are seatbelts and crumple zones tech? Or are you meaning digital sensors and computers etc taking control of the vehicle? I agree, autonomous vehicles will be a big safety improvement.
like what? it *looks* scary?
yea, no kidding. people keep sayings its unsafe because, well uh, it *looks* unsafe. because its triangle and not a round shape? all cars are big pieces of metal. getting hit by a car as pedestrian will be the same. honestly, visibility in the cybertruck is better than a one of a f150. the slopped front end immediately gives better lower view than an engine front end. i cant remember who produced the video. but when cybertruck first took deliveries, there was 3 videos. in one of them the guy shows the cybertruck and f150 nosed up to each other and it clearly had a much wider field of view over the “hood”.
unfortunately those are exploiting loopholes in the law https://etsc.eu/concerns-over-loopholes-allowing-american-pickup-trucks-to-bypass-safety-and-environmental-regulations/
That’s the only safety I care about. The higher chance my kids survive the better!
They’re not mutually exclusive, and your kids aren’t in a car every minute of the day. Making vehicles safer for people outside the vehicle includes your kids.
I was just typing something. Don’t even have kids. Good point of you though!
Much higher chance for death when it hits pedestrians because of the steel sharp edges as an example
I think people that wrote that still believed that it would have an exoskeleton.
if you specifically hit the edge corner of the truck. and if you can prove that it is some how more dangerous than being hit at a car at any lethal speed. i dont think the degree of “sharp” is relevant when being hit by a car even at 10 mph. i dont think a non “sharp” edge is any less lethal or dangerous. getting hit by thousands of pounds is dangerous and marginal differences wont matter.
If they do continue, they will now be performed by Tesla employees- so there will be no oversight. There will be no more government standard that all manufacturers must adhere to. Just what HE wants. He must eliminate any obstacles for his total ascension to the single most powerful person in the world while he is praising hitler on his personal social media website where he controls the freedom of speech so it never differs from what he believes and will only enrich him and his controllers.
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Fair. I think the crash test results do suggest that the dynamics of the vehicle are not as rigid/deadly as suspected.
Sorry but I don't remember exactly. He has some gems. This one may be my favourite, but he was good on Rogan & Lex recently. There wasn't a huge discussion on Reddit, the bullet points were mine and not Marc's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6twxFu3bL0w
They don’t allow posts with duplicate links. There’s someone else who beat me to it by a few minutes and that’s the one with the weird title.
sure, but the person buying the product the customer, not someone who happens to be around it. Of course they focus on the customer first.
Do you think the two are mutually exclusive? As if making it safer for people outside the vehicle makes it less safe for an occupant? I mean if you want to be purely selfish about it, the person around the vehicle could be a loved one.
Liar, Mono is obviously refering to the disease and Rail is referring to a sexual act. Therefore Monorails definition is "Being violently fucked by a plague carrier."
“iT hAs aN exOskEleToN”
Because it didn’t actually come with an exoskeleton. Hence why the exterior can crumble. Everyone said this for years after the initial reveal and clearly they were right. Tesla had to pivot away from an exoskeleton to introduce crumple zones.
I’m excited to see what Cybertruck haters have to say about this because, on all the forums I follow about the Cybertruck, the biggest argument has always been that it’s the most dangerous pickup truck. Now, I don’t know what excuse they’ll come up with next, but this just satisfies me in a way 😂 Edit: forgot to add to the text The Cybertruck had the lowest overall probability of injury & lowest chance of rollover of any pickup truck tested by the NHTSA.
I see rams, f150s, etc on a daily basis.
Those are exploiting loopholes in order to get on the streets https://etsc.eu/concerns-over-loopholes-allowing-american-pickup-trucks-to-bypass-safety-and-environmental-regulations/
If someone asked me what car I wanted to get hit by the cybertruck might be the last on my list.
i dont want to get hit by any car..?
Not even legal in Europe without modification.
That's a very US-centric view and totally incorrect for global standards.
NHTSA is a US based organization. I’m not saying ignoring pedestrians was the correct approach, but it was.
Oh sure, yes. I agree - from the US perspective, pedestrians are essentially considered unimportant for safety. I doubt there will be any change to that perspective.
In September 2024 NHSTA discussed including pedestrian concerns. We will see.
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