Tesla on X - V4 Cabinet

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Copy/paste of text on X > Supercharging has come a long way — our first opening in 2012 started with charging speeds of just 90kW. > Since then, our engineering teams have continuously been upgrading our Supercharger equipment. > In 2023, we launched our V4 Post, which made improvements to the charging experience for all EVs. > Today, we're announcing the V4 Cabinet — capable of delivering up to 500kW for cars and 1.2MW for Semi. > * **Faster charging**: Supports 400V-1000V vehicle architectures, including 30% faster charging for Cybertruck. S3XY vehicles enjoy 250kW charge rates they already experience on V3 Cabinet — charging up to 200 miles in 15 minutes. > * **Faster deployments**: V4 Cabinet powers 8 posts, 2X the stalls per cabinet. Lower footprint and complexity = more sites coming online faster. > * **Next-generation hardware**: Cutting-edge power electronics designed to be the most reliable on the planet, with 3X power density enabling higher throughput with lower costs. > Our first sites with V4 Cabinets are going into permitting now. First openings in 2025. V4 Cabinets are *not* to be confused with v4 charging stalls. The cabinets are the big white things in the fenced in area near the charging stalls.

Took them long enough.

Do you think Tesla will launch the new Model Y with a faster charging battery? > 250 kW?

I hope so!

500kw charging on Cybertruck is pretty cool to see

I wouldn't expect any large changes. It's a refresh just like the Model 3. Powertrain stuff is separate and I don't think they'd try a big change like that on their highest volume vehicle first.

Compared to?

Doubt it, the model 3 refresh didn’t have any major changes to the battery or electronics. It wouldn’t expect 800v until the 2nd generation model 3 and Y

just low-key epic, while other charging providers can barely keep their junk stalls operational at all and charge double the price, while having 1/100th the amount, at best.

I hope, but am used to being disappointed..... It and more real range would make me consider an upgrade.

So… no prospective updates to allow for rates faster than 250kW on the latest S/X/3/Y vehicles? Not surprising but still slightly disappointing.

Only if the new Model Y operates on 800V like the Cybertruck. Otherwise I wouldn't count on it.

Nope. Would likely need 800V for that. This update will most likely be cosmetic.

That's the life of early adopters. Which, at this stage, we still are. Remember, folks with the Legacy S/X can't charge faster than about 180kW, if memory serves, or at least, Legacy prior to 2018 I believe. You buy what you buy into. Retrofits are nice, but there's diminishing returns too.

400V vehicles are already pulling ~700 amps to get 250kW. Probably not much room thermally to do more.

Many other chargers already support 800v. Typically they provide a worse experience for older 400v cars than a 400v charger. So this is new.

250kW is plenty fast and most Teslas can reach that only for a moment. There's more to be gained by improving the charging curve so that it drops off slower. Of course both are helpful. Hopefully the new Y will move to 800V architecture as those seem to have better charging curves.

Some of the Electrify America stalls do 350 kW

So can the V4 Cabinet charge 8 vehicles all at 500kW at the same time? What about when a Semi comes to charge at 1.2 MW? Would any throttling occur in these situations?

Presumably Semis won't be going to consumer charging stations to charge up. Odds are this is Tesla's "Make it work for everything" approach, where these same cabinets can help charge a Semi, but over in Semi specific charging hubs. Says "Up to 500kW', so it's probably a v1 scenario, where the more cars you have the more it throttles.

Well they are upgrading the battery on the RWD 3/Y: https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/s/8WvMquOpgj

Are there any news when 2nd generation will come out. Model 3 came out in 2018, Model 3 Highland in 2023 so M3 2nd gen in 2028? I find it especially interesting if M3 would use 800v architecture as well. What would be your guess?

Tesla is always upgrading the battery.

But I was assured by Reddit that the firing of the supercharger team meant Tesla was done developing any new supercharger locations and new supercharger hardware. And that Tesla was about to be left in the dust by the traditional automakers. How can this be??

Why would the Semi have double the charging ability as cars? The CyberTruck is 800V which is pretty close to the max 1000V limit. So it's not like the Semi can charge at 1600V and draw half as many amps. Feels like there are details they aren't telling us. Are they implying multiple cars can charge at 500kw while only one semi can charge at 1.2MW? Or are they conflating charging stalls with the cabinet?

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If the RWD gets faster charging than the new model 3 performance, then something has gone wrong with their timelines. More expensive tech always deputes in lower volume models. Would be extremely odd to roll it out in such a high volume model first.

Legacy, pre “Raven” (2019) S/X are capped at 145kW afaik, and that’s for the 100D packs. Those charge quite well and hit 100kW at around 50%. 90kWh packs are quite a bit slower, charging above 100kW till 35-40%. 85D packs are much slower, where you’re lucky to hold 100kW until 10-15%. For 85D packs it’s usually 100=SOC+Charge rate. So at 30% you’re usually at 70kW, at 50% you’re pulling 50kW, at 70% it’s 30kW and so on. And that’s on a great charging session. So yeah, while we’re “early adopters” on the grand scheme of things, those with 3/Y and Raven(&later) models are quite well off!

Honestly what needs to be improved is the charging curve on these vehicles. We hit peak fast but dips fast as well. We need Taycan charge curve.

Apparently it really is 500 kW on Cybertruck: https://x.com/wmorrill3/status/1857140581589229835

[My old 2017 Model X 100D topped out at 188kW](https://imgur.com/J57BVG2). Average was closer to 160-170kW

500 kW peak rate for Cybertruck confirmed: https://x.com/wmorrill3/status/1857140581589229835 I guess the "30% faster charging" they claim is the total charge time. Because the peak rate improvement is 100%.

That’s really interesting. Never seen one in the EU do that. However that might be a limitation of the CCS2-Type2 adapter we had to use here

> Hopefully the new Y will move to 800V architecture as those seem to have better charging curves. The better charge curves are not a result of the increased voltage.

Might be. I am not in the EU

[https://x.com/MdeZegher/status/1857149749880885641](https://x.com/MdeZegher/status/1857149749880885641) No, they'll probably be sharing \~1MW. Most of the time that's fine since Tesla's have a pretty aggressive charge curve and you probably won't ever have 8 cars pull up empty at the same time. Just 2 Cybertrucks would saturate the cabinet though, although once again, they have a pretty aggressive charge curve taper. Semis won't be charging at these since they use a different plug (MCS).

Well they still haven’t released a 2nd gen S or X so who knows with Tesla! My guess would be that the next gen 3 Y will be on the same platform as the RoboTaxi / Model 2.

The semi will use a different charging post with the MCS connector that can run higher voltage and amperage than NACS. The same cabinet will be used for both, but the ports are very different.

The cabinet rarely matters here. No North American car can even charge at 500kW yet. The throttling will come from the transformer which I have seen being as shitty as a 750kVA for an 8 stall supercharger site.  You can’t really get around the transformer issue, then that gets into grid capacity.

Well the MY RWD in Europe uses the BYD blade battery and charges faster from 10-80% (18 min) than the MYP (27 min). I know MYP has a bigger battery and higher peak power (250 kW) but the average charge power from 10-80% is only 124 kW and the MY RWD charges at average 140 kW.

The Taycan is epic. Greater than 300kW through 50% SOC.

I think Semi will use the MCS connector which can handle way more current and its not something you would want to plug into consumer cars/trucks.

Charging speed often has more to do with the size of the pack as well. Eg, a RWD Model 3 can’t charge as fast as a LR. The Semi likely has a larger pack

The "refreshed" Model S in 2021 with the Plaid powertrain was literally a second generation car with a similar exterior.  Just like the last versus current gen F150, a lot of things were shared like the platform, powertrains, etc except they gave it an all new interior and made some changes on the exterior even the exterior shape was completely based and almost identical the previous "gen" in some ways.  A Model 3 Highland was basically a second gen although some of the powertrain were carryovers. Their is a strong possibility the Model Y will be 800/48v capable and will feature a larger battery to compete with new competitors. At the end of the day it's their best selling model so it would help them to have more options and charge more for them

They specify the cybertruck can charge at 500kW in the post (presumably after a software update)

What are the other brands doing that make them have better charging curves? Aren't a lot of the batteries at least in the US sourced from the same locations? My LFPs curve seems pretty good but the peak rate is real low. I've seen some concerning charging curves on twitter with the newer long range Ys, even though they hit a much higher peak KW.

I believe you are correct. Can probably only sustain that power at low SoC for a few seconds/minutes. Similar to S3XY only pulling 250 kW for a short amount of time.

I wonder if they’ll be able to adjust charging speeds on S3XY vehicles in the future with a software update? They have been able to do this in the past when V3 chargers came out. Anyways, awesome to see such a huge improvement, and nice that it’s generalizable to both Semi and the main fleet.

800V means just slightly smaller cables, does nothing to battery charging speeds

no. Tesla buys most of its batteries and there aren’t any know breakthroughs at any supplier, at least not any that could scale to Tesla Model Y levels. The only way how they could do it is Hyundai way- don’t care about battery longevity

2nd Gen Model S and X were introduced in 2021 when the plaid versions launched. They completely redesigned the chasis to use mega-castings for front and rear, completely new battery pack, completely new motors.

Pretty sure they're maxed out at the moment

In the US maybe. In Germany EnBW and others are REALLY expanding their network, and most of them use Alpitronic Hyperchargers, which are really good. 300kw at 800V, so same/similar specs as Tesla V4, and they exist for years now.

The Semi uses a MCS plug and at those power levels you won't be fucking around with adapters. A V4 Semi charging location will probably have fewer charging stalls.

> What are the other brands doing that make them have better charging curves Main point is cooling. But most cars are comparable to Tesla from a charging speed standpoint. 10-80% in something like 25 minutes is pretty much standard.

Tesla doesn't do traditional car generations. They seem to upgrade aspects of the car individually rather than all at once, with the occasional major refresh that upgrades a lot at once. I'd argue that the Highland upgrade for Model 3 is the second generation.

The video show the Cybertruck charging at 500kW. So that is likely to happen in the near future.

I largely agree with you, but traditional car generations introduce a new car body. Tesla hasn't yet done that with S3XY. But yeah, basically everything else is new.

They won't learn from this, and they will freak out again when the next shakeup happens. It happens every time, and they're always so confident that they're right.

We’ve seen leaked images of it with an extra front camera. V2X support is also a possibility now that the Cybertruck has come out with it.

Will be weird that some non-Tesla EVs can charge faster than most Tesla's on its own SC network.

That's progress though. We're still, technically, early stage electric vehicles. It gets better from here, but it's like complaining about the Gen 1 LEAF having a short range or something. We wouldn't be here without cars like those paving the way.

I was told Tesla doesn’t innovate because its cars don’t charge faster, how Tesla lied about the semi megacharging and it was just a stock pump.

Yup that's true. Technically the Model S and even Model 3 chassis/structure have had changed over the years and aside from the glass roof most of the body panels are all new (granted to an average person they look basically identical). I'm hoping Tesla does change the body style a little more but honestly the current shapes they have are attractive at least for the 3/S. Until some serious competitors start eating into Teslas sales, I don't think they care that much about doing a. Complete body restyle unfortunately.

I think most of the body is literally the same as when the cars first came out. They change a few exterior panels and some of the internal structure, but I don't think most of it has changed at all

You can see from the Munro teardown that the Plaid is still clearly the same platform as they weren’t able to put in a lot of the advancements they made with the original Model 3. Granted car manufacturers do sometimes re-use platforms e.g. the Mk8 VW Golf is mostly a revised Mk7. But they will change the exterior when doing that. I’m not sure why Tesla didn’t update the exterior as well to be honest.

No, there will be power sharing across stalls. 8 cars all needing >250kW simultaneously is going to be rare. There is already power sharing on V3 chargers and you almost never notice it. These cabinets are capable of charging a Semi, but a Semi isn’t going to just back in next to you and plug in at one of the 8 normal chargers and start drawing 1.2MW. Those chargers will probably be separate with a smaller number of connectors per cabinet.

It does mean faster charging because they can't pump any more amps through those cables at 400v. Also It's why Tesla themselves are saying that the Cybertruck will charge 30% faster on V4 cabinets...

Compared to when they announced them, then "released" them (which was only the stalls), and when their own cars started benefiting from 800V charging.

>No North American car can even charge at 500kW yet. did you even watch the video??

Exactly! Been watching it happen again and again for nearly a decade.

18 minutes for IONIQ 5 with pretty much same battery size as Model Y LR. Not on Tesla chargers yet though since it’s an 800V car like Cybertruck.

Same. Been following Tesla closely since the Model 3 launch in 2017, and there have been countless events like this. Meanwhile, Tesla has grown from a risky startup to literally the most valuable car company in the world. It's crazy to watch these reactions and compare with reality.

Even if it does 800v wont make the battery charge faster for longer than a short moment. The primary limiting factor is the battery.

Location expansion has nothing to do with this.

Lol really expanding meaning another 2 here and there. And EnBW charges 90 fucking cents/kwh on many chargers and 70 on their own. I hate them so much. Used to have ADAC rates with them, and they went to shit. Worst prices of anyone.

The Cyber truck has a much larger battery, so current is more of an issue. Not the same with a smaller model 3 battery.

Model 3 highland leaks had front camera also.

Longer cords and symmetrical placement means you can park in front of one and charge on both the left and right side of your vehicle. The future is now.

The website renders had it, was it ever physically spotted on any of the test units?

Yeah, it would have been, it's a good thing Elon reneged on what he said at the time.

Unfortunately, this is too little too late, whatever upgrade this is. The opportunity for growth in the charging network was in the Biden Administration. That opportunity is passed and its dead. Tesla should have had exponentially increasing charging network and assets, fueled by government subsidies, that makes it ready to be the new dominator of "gas station" replacements for EVs and PHEVs. That opportunity is gone. Any and all subsidies will be eliminated in the beginning "first 100 days". This is just deck chair rearranging.

Juniper & Highland ARE the second generations

Don't think so

i heard newer cars can “technically” charge at speeds of ~312kW. it’s all new to me so i’m not sure how true this is.

Did you even read what I said?

All 400V vehicles are maxed out based on the current rating of the charge connector. Only 800V vehicles will be able to hit 500kW

And to this point it usually comes down to number of cells, that are charging in parallel. More cells, faster average charge for distance gained.

> In the US maybe. In Germany EnBW   lol please, EnBW has nothing compared to the Tesla charger network, **especially** when comparing to the US.   Let’s not embarrass ourselves by being detached from reality.   > 300kw at 800V, so same/similar specs as Tesla V4   Did you just say that 300kW is “same/similar” to 500 kW? And 500kW being the lower end, as Tesla V4 goes all the way up to 1.2 MW?  I don’t understand why some Germans and Europeans are so out of touch with the reality of their own country, or straight out act like 300kW is same/similar to 500kW/1.2MW. It’s just trying to make excuses at this point. The mental gymnastics are just really sad to witness, honestly.

When did Tesla “announce them” out of curiosity?

And this does 500kW to 1.2 MW. How is that anywhere close?

They mentioned 350 kW V4 Superchargers at least as early as March 2023. The messaging at the time indicated that it would be rolling out to the pilot station near Amsterdam within a month; and they were, except Tesla being Tesla promised one thing, and delivered another - a V4 stall attached to a V3 cabinet...

So exactly what I said. They're conflating cabinet specs with stall/connector specs.

Oh so it was announced 350kW, not 500kW-1.2MW, ok.

Megapacks will act as buffer between the v4 cabinet and the grid. It will recharge by solar and/or from the grid in the middle of the night when electricity rate and the Supercharging utilization is low.

The overall charging time per mile is probably similar since Cybertruck uses more energy per miles. The faster charging speed will just offset the extra energy use per miles.

Huh? IRA has only been around for less than 2 years and I doubt any significant fundings have even been issued. Unlike buying an EV that can be done in a single day to claim the credit immediately at time of purchase, commercial charging site take a long time from planning to get permit to actual construction and passing final inspection before turning on. Tesla has been building out the Supercharger network on their own dime for more than a decade long before IRA. They will continue to fund it now Tesla has a $30 billion cash pile and continue to earn billions every year. If nothing else, their effort will continue to accelerate as they build more and more EV each year and adding support for all other EVs. They are finally going to earn a little extra with their Supercharging network and not just a money losing or break even business.

I need to know which vehicle will be V4 ready 😭 whichever that one is the one I’m buying 🫡 the article only mentions the cyber truck charging is almost cut in half to reach 200 miles. Did I miss anything? Should I lock in for the cyber truck ?

Not sure about now, but a few years back, I believe Audi/Porsche leave quite a bit of extra battery capacity at the top that is not used. When the display show battery at “100%”, in reality it is only 90% or lower to avoid the slow 90 to 100% portion of the charging curve. But this meant their EV would be more costly since they are carrying around 10% unused capacity. Not sure if this still applies today.

What are you looking for out of a body restyle that wasn't part of the 2021 S refresh or Highland? Both of those feel about as major of a refresh as you get between, say, the 2023 and 2024 crosstrek (new generation, not just a year bump)

Yeah, in the video it was showing a little over 1,000 miles per hour charging rate at 500 kW, which is similar to what a Model 3/Y would get at 250 kW.

The charging speed for most models is limited by the size of the battery pack, not by the cable. You would get a tiny bit more speed where you now run into the limit, but that's at best for a handful of minutes. This is why even the Cybertruck only gets a 30% charging speed increase, even though a V4 cabinet can provide double the energy (i.e. is 100% faster). It's battery is large enough that it can benefit from 800V charging, but not so much bigger that its limits are anywhere near those of a 800V charger.

For about 2 minutes at the peak of its charging curve. That's why they say it can charge 30% faster ... on a charger that can provide 100% more power. What the battery can take is the limit here, and for the Cybertruck this is just a bit above what a V3 can provide.

Ok, let's compare he numbers: - EnBW: ~1000 - Aral Pulse: 270 - Ionity: 150 - Tesla: 186 Your mental gymnastics are impressive.

It has a bigger battery. Simple as that. The amount of energy a pack can take is "number of cells" x "cell chemistry". Its like boiling eggs; to boil more eggs per hour you cannot boil them faster by making the water hotter, you have to boil more eggs at the same time.

V4 cabinets have no cables.

The IRA was passed in August 2022; barely 2 years ago. But! It isn't just about passing the law. The various agencies need to then interpret the law and write out all of the regulations that govern how the law is enforced. There is a reason that only *eight* chargers have been built using these funds. The gears of bureaucracy grind slowly.

As far as I am aware, only the Cybertruck has tech for fully utilizing these new V4 stalls.

Remember when he fired everyone in the Supercharger team? Good times!

Will be useless for high utilization sites. Many have tried the battery buffer for charging already. It does work very well for peak shaving which saves a lot of money.

There's nothing wrong with Highland. I think it's great. For me the body of Palladium looks a bit outdated, particularly the rear. The interiors on both were completely new at the time, so that's fine. It's not a major knock, but especially for Model S/X, they're a bit in need of a new body to look more modern and probably be able to use space more efficiently.

Perhaps the Cybertruck with range extender (123+47 kWh?), that would be \~2.94C

500kW seems like it requires a Cybertruck with range extender? (500 kW / 123+47kWh ≅ 2.94C, 500 kW / 123 kWh ≅ 4.07C. What's the best that's been reported? NxuOne 800V 327kW ≅ 2.66C? TesLatino Tesla Superchargers 400V 323kW ≅ 2.63?)

I see cables in the video??? Are you sure you mean what you're saying?

At the Tesla Semi delivery event Dec 2022 they revealed they developed V4 MW class charging (1MW+) for the Semi that they'd also use for the Cybertruck. \[cc: u/Wojtas_\]

Amswer: 800V and better battery thermal.

Well Hyundai Ionic 6 is 800V and can charge from 10-80% in 16 min (average 200 kW) while MYLR does it in 27 min (124 kW). And they have more or less the same battery size. I don’t think it will wear down the battery more since it is 800V. It would be like two half sized battery packs charging at 400V It would be great to be able to charge the next MY to 80% in 16 min.

I expect the Tesla roadster to be the first sedan to have the 800 volt architecture since it's usually the top end models that get the upgrade first.

Hyundai is almost certainly accepting the risk of increased degradation when pushing 3-4C at peak rates and even averaging nearly 3C for a substantial time. They are not using any fancy new cell chemistry and it is probable there will be lots of degradation claims in 3-5 years, especially for cars that have seen extensive DCFC.

There is also a new light indicator - probably showing the availability of the chargers.. nice

To be fair, most of the credit is on Tesla though. Compare the Model S with other cars of its time and one was actually a viable car with an alternative drivetrain, the others were toys and secondary cars to go shopping/drive the kids to school. I know those also were in different price ranges, but still…

Correct!

The charging bus bar can support 300kW so hopefully they'll give them a little bump.

No, but the new models may use it.

Only true if the cables are the limiting factor. Most often it’s the cells.

Yes, it does. This is new hardware for new locations.

> Elon reneged on what he said at the time. Give me the original quote that Elon later reneged on.

> Ok, let's compare he numbers: EnBW: ~1000  Right, they’ve managed barely 1,000 stations with a max charging rate of 300kW.   Even Electrify America in the US has managed more stations and a higher max 350kW charging speeds.  And EnBW having more stations than Tesla shows more that **Germany is the exception** rather than “maybe in the US”. Which is understandable given how much the German government has tried to hinder Tesla’s Supercharger expansion.   Tesla with over 60,000 across 7,000 stations is the biggest fast charging network in most countries it operates in. You know, in most countries that didn’t actively try to slow it down for protectionism of its own slow car manufacturers like Germany did.  But don’t worry, ignore all that and continue to act like 300 kW “is essentially the same” to 500 kW/1.2 MW

If it only has 1 MW total capacity, wouldn't it be eight cars needing 125 kW? That doesn't seem unlikely at a higher usage station.

I thought I saw it somewhere but can not find it now.

Correct, I didn’t see the 1MW capacity cited anywhere. But they also say it can charge a Semi at 1.2MW, which suggest a cabinet can handle at least that amount. 1.2MW capacity would be 150kW per car. As far as I know V3 chargers are similar, with around 125kW per car. You almost never notice throttling due to too many cars charging on a V3 though.

hopefully they still have powershare like V3s so that all cars can hit that peak even right next to each other/plugged into the same cabinet.

Rather than "500kW to 1.2MW", it's "up to 500kW" for passenger vehicles or 1.2 MW for Semis. Sharing the cabinet's 1.2 MW across 8 pedestals is 150 kW average per post versus for example the ABB A400 which shares 400 kW between 2 posts (or EAs 350kW, whatever hardware that is). Outside the largest pickup batteries, don't most passenger vehicles peak < 300 kW, so for most users will the experience be any different? The Cybertruck charging at 800V on the NxuOne charger peaked at 327kW \[not much higher than TesLatino's impressive 323kW on 400V\], will 500kW be only achieved with the range extended Cybertruck? *\[or other large pack pickups, 200+ kWh will need it\]* IIRC Nio also has 500kW chargers and unveiled 640kW chargers late last year (need to look up the configuration specifics). NxuOne's 1.5MW charger vs Tesla's 1.2MW for Semi charging. Tesla of course is still noteworthy here for cost/scale benefits they'll see rolling this out for both superchargers and semi chargers. *Edit: Was looking around for the progress of the 2024 Nio 640 kW installations and noted XPeng has started installing 800 kW chargers (800A at 1000V).*

Hope they can update some of the aging v2s

Agreed, but I don't know what that process looks like. There's one in Ocala that needs to be updated. In Gainesville, on Archer Rd, they're dropping in new chargers *literally* just down the road from the existing v2 chargers, so I don't know if the plan is to remove the old ones in favor of the new ones, or having chargers up the road from the old ones. More chargers is good, but I feel like we need to spread them out a bit more.

Cabinets are not the same thing as the box with the charger you plug into your car

Not sure how necessary a front bumper camera is anyway, most of the vehicles that have that are so tall you could run over a 5 year old without seeing them. Between the high seating position and low frunk of the 3 you can see basically everything in front of you.

It's unlikely that 8 cars will all be pulling 250kW at the exact same time. They're counting on the loads to be naturally staggered.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1785406795814510785 "Tesla still plans to grow the Supercharger network, just at a slower pace for new locations and more focus on 100% uptime and expansion of existing locations" Seems like it's growing just as fast as it was before, and they're working on new concept sites (Lost Hills, CA) and products (like the V4 cabinet).

The cabinet is a big white box you typically see at supercharging stations that delivers power from the grid to the posts, which are the recognizable components that contain the cables. Sometimes the cabinet is not visible as they try to hide it, but it's always there somewhere.

Uh.... no. That quote does not at all equate to something that was reneged on.

really? I must have missed that leak. Anyone have a link handy?

https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/1glz19k/a_prototype_of_the_upgraded_tesla_model_y_juniper/

thank you!

At the European launch in Oslo, Tesla Sales were told it would have one - even the pictures on the walls had the front camera. The unveiled cars did not, at which point they taped(!) over that part of the pictures as well.

> limiting factor is the battery The thermal capabilities of the battery. Which gets significantly easier when you double the voltage.

> Similar to S3XY only pulling 250 kW for a short amount of time Model S/X sit at 250 kW from 5 to ~33%. Granted it only takes about seven minutes.

Only if they increase battery size. Charging speed is pretty much coupled to battery size.

"Let's ignore that the discussion is about Germany and argue with how the US." /r/USdefaultism much?

https://imgur.com/vqgAqBP Visual guide to where the cables are.

Person brings up US in their first phrase  > In the US maybe. In Germany […] But you’re telling me about US defaultism. Genius 😆

It's the battery's ability to take amps which is the limiting factor. If the voltage is doubled, then the amps are cut in half so the battery can charge twice as fast.

A new light indicator... ? You mean the lights at the gutter which are just there for this video to make it look cool?

Probably taking more risk in degradation and failure if they put more current through a very similar battery.