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Main points: - infra-bots information sharing (like new ambient maps) - auto-docking - more interactions - now he can take the stairs

Those are just the things that have been updated right? Hot takes are like, your opinions or things you’d argue that people might disagree with Like: My hot take is that McDonald’s is the best American restaurant. It must be the best because everyone knows it and it has locations in nearly every country

Yes Sorry, corrected.

Also some good info on X of new developments [here](https://x.com/_milankovac_/status/1846410551318257675) and [here](https://x.com/_milankovac_/status/1846803709281644917)

* auto-docking Who thought Borg when they read that?

I think the first big use case for Optimus is actually going to be to be a waiter at a restaurant, believe it or not. If it can prove itself there, then, that in itself, is a super large TAM that Optimus could replace, because the cost of optimus should be lower than a actual waiter, plus, consumers wouldn't feel so nearly obliged to tip. The demo that the video posted on X showcased, that optimus should be reasonably capable soon to accomplish all the tasks of a waiter, plus with the AI LLM of Grok on board, I don't see any reason it can't. I think Optimus has a great future ahead, and is leagues more marketable to more industries than anything Boston Dynamics can accomplish. Plus, with the tight integration of Optimus's navigational and robotic AI, along with the Grok AI potential for communication, I think a world where Optimus becomes useful is actually not too far away.

Restaurants? No. The first major use case will be a highly structured and controlled environment, like in a factory. The 3rd shift of menial tasks. Not a fluid environment where people will disrupt and vandalize the robot for internet points.

Huh, I was kind of hoping that Optimus would just grab a cable and plug itself in to the wall or something

No worries, just didn’t want people starting an argument with you over it lol

Autobots Roll out

Hot cake*

Japan already figured out the restaurant thing. Order from a tablet at the table, or a kiosk at the door as you come in. Of course, American restaurants will never do this because they're addicited to tips.

"Hi Optimus. I'd like to order ... 18,000 water cups please."

Using thin restaurant margins to purchase an unproven technology so you don't need a worker whose main source of income is customer tip? I doubt it. Also if you really want to avoid hiring waiters, do a conveyor belt or windowed booth style restaurant

Look at the McDonald's tablet walls, AI drive thrus. It's happening and fast food will be the first wave for robots with human interactions. (Apart from maybe robotaxis)

55 Roadster 2.0s, 55 Model 2s, 55 RoboVans, 55 CyberTrikes, 55 FSD transfers!

IM DOING SOMETHING

Depends on the state. California would love these since servers make minimum wage here. Edit: Minimum salary for full time employees in CA is 66k. That’s two Optimus’ for the cost of a single yearly wage for a human employee.

Yeah but you don't need humanoid robots for that. You just need screens and speakers. I don't see how Optimus will change restaurants by taking jobs from servers, just put a tablet on the table.

Tesla shouldn't be wasting time and resources on this.

I really didn't know either, but my hot take is AI is very good at explaining things and summarizing: >When someone says "my hot take," they are offering an opinion that is bold, controversial, or unconventional. > It's typically a statement that goes against the popular or commonly accepted viewpoint, often intended to provoke discussion or debate. >A "hot take" can also imply that the opinion was formed quickly, without deep analysis, adding to its provocative nature.

I'm waiting for Tesla to build TARS, the cybertruck of robots!

That is was my first thought! 😆

Cooks and servers

While research companies like Boston Dynamics may currently be equally as advanced or even technically ahead in some areas, only Tesla has the combination of ambition, capital, mass production capability and will (via Musk) to truly produce robots on a large enough scale to get robots into the hands of us ordinary folks. Go Tesla!

Yes, some of the simplest factory jobs, but I think for fast food places tasks like french fry cook would be a nice job for Optimus in 2 to 4 years. But at the pace they're working I could see simple restaurant tasks in a year. It won't have to complete all the tasks of an employee, but eliminate some of the least popular and easiest. With $20 minimum wage plus overhead a FTE elimination would have a pretty quick ROI. Assuming it could work 16 hours at a simple job that might equate to a full 8 hour employee at a fast food restaurant. I hope for Tesla they would just lease it rather than sell it.

Tesla really needs to make an Optimus dock that looks like the ports the Borg used. That would be awesome

Humanoid robots will be useful for jobs that are part-time human and part-time robot.

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Why not? What do you think it’s a waste of time? I think it’ll be great to have a personal robot even if it is 10 years down the road.

Where was this at We, Robot?? I strongly believe the market would have liked to see a 15 minute talk over about these developments and the continued improvement seen here rather than have a bunch of telaoperated bots pouring beers

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The event was meant for fun, atmosphere and building up excitement, not a technical presentation for us nerds.

Servers can already be replaced with a tablet. They don't need to be humanoid robots with servos.

Maybe this distraction could have been avoided and we’d have a working roadster.

😂worth a shot

It'll be a lot longer then 10 years.

Teleoperated

Two different teams doing two different things. Optimus has a much higher ceiling than Roadster 2.0.

Right?!? I would be much more impressed if it just glory holed the nearest outlet when it needed a boost

I don’t think the same people are working on Optimus and roaster.

Perhaps, but I’m glad they are trying. It’s a cool future to look forward to.

There were two medical emergiencies, they had to cut the presentation short…

You have no vision

Honestly ... I expect far more than this at this point and am below whelmed.

Wall Street disagrees.

Why grab a cable? Just stick the fingers in the wall socket 🤣

Boston Dynamics is owned by Hyundai Motor Group. They sell about 10 times more cars than Tesla each year which should tell you their mass production capabilities. They also build ships and have a construction subsidiary. It's ok to be excited by what Tesla does but they are not the only ones with the combination of ambition, capital, mass production capabilities to truly produce robots on a large scale. If there is a market for it, you will see other companies jump in. Just look how Hyundai has been able to introduce more electric models of vehicles than Tesla in a relatively short time span. I do love how disruptive and experimental Tesla is and how nimble they are compared to other car companies.

This is what they should have been showing off at the robotaxi event and not remote piloted suits. Or at least they should have clearly indicated which was which. As it is they will now have to face people saying it's remote controlled no matter what it does.

You know how you can tell this whole thing is a load of BS? Tesla recently had its Robotaxi event and showed that the Robotaxi would charge wirelessly. It was also revealed that the Robotaxi does/would not have a charging port to charge via cable. If these robots are legitimate, why would they not be training them to plug a Tesla Robotaxi into a supercharger?

If they'd done a technical presentation for nerds, Wall Street would have complained that it was too nerdy and not fun enough.

> The event was meant for fun, atmosphere and building up excitement And I thought Tesla was a public company, how foolish

Because that's a very small business need and not one that they can use immediately.

> and am below whelmed. So underwhelmed?

I was picturing it grabbing an NACS cord and deep throating it, but dry humping a wall outlet is pretty good too.

That's right, well under the whelm threshold

Fair enough - it's just I haven't heard anything from BD or Hyundai about producing robots for the masses.

TARS is cool, but I suspect it would totally ruin your floor.

Not a solution that scales in any reasonable manner, but given success and time I wouldn’t be surprised to see charging butlers for autonomous Teslas at certain locations. Then the question would be is how do they solve it for someone in New York summoning their car from California? There’s probably quite a few desolate chargers out there.

I also took note that it can now carry an 11kg tray - without overheating. I found that last part to be a bit interesting, as I interpret it as overheating while carrying 11kg was an issue before (because why else would they write it?). I’m sure some other companies (eg. Boston Dynamics) have solved some of these issues before, and they seem simple enough - but when you’re trying to build something mass manufacturable you may be playing with other limitations. Would be interesting to know how they approach cooling, if they use phase transition cooling in any matter, or if it’s just liquid.

Wow omg auto docking. My iRobot from like 2012 could do that 😂

Obviously not, but clearly the roadster development was intentionally stopped. I'd rather have seen them spend resources on that than this.

What do you think the roadster team has been doing?

Really? Because EVERY SINGLE event had tech details, dates, dont accept that watered down shit show.

Optimus may solve our unemployment problems, since for every robot, we need more than one person remotely driving it, and Musk sees everyone owning more than one Optimus. The math is glorious!

Your iRobot doesn’t have legs and it’s a much simpler design though haha

Even if it takes 50yrs, it’ll be hugely beneficial. The sooner we start working on it, the sooner we have it, the sooner we benefit.

The ol’ robutt plug

Can't tell if you think you're actually making a good point or if this is satire...

Their bot AI guy says otherwise: [https://x.com/julianibarz/status/1846801329030934944](https://x.com/julianibarz/status/1846801329030934944)

I was thinking the same thing, like it'd be a perfect pairing and synergy. I guess wireless charging has advantages, but it'll also be less efficient and costs a lot to develop. I guess it's better than robots plugging stuff in though if it works out.

Same. This came out recently tho. Looks like them and Toyota want to challenge Tesla further. https://m.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20241018050479

>Edit: Minimum salary for full time employees in CA is 66k Where'd that math come from? At $16/hour, 40 hours * 52 weeks you get around 33k. If you do 8 hours * 365 days you get 46k. You'd also have to add in cost of risk, cost of maintenance, cost of actual release date MSRP (No chance it ships day 1 for promised price, possible to reach it later like Model 3), etc. I'm not saying they'll never be replaced, just that being the "first big use case" is super unlikely

Yeah that’s wrong. That’s for exempt employees, which servers wouldn’t be. My point is that not all servers make $2/hr plus tips. 30k for one Optimus vs 46k/ year for a single employee is an absolute no brainer. And it doesn’t matter that it’s currently unproven technology since we’re *obviously* speculating about what it would be like if Optimus is successful…

The funny thing is that you could be serious. Events have passed the satire threshold.