Here's the source of the video: https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1844638183449104493 Here's the source for it being to play piano and guitar: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1844663914392600652 Bonus [quote](https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1844663546917069193) from Elon: "*Several years ago, I promised catgirls and they are coming in robot form*"
Ok this is creepy impressive
add sci fi robot noises
Preprogrammed micro robotics have been around for years, but it’s cool
I can see the T2 showing his arm to Mr. Dyson https://youtu.be/euf-GKJV2S8?si=2GOpa1_olbo8aAxh
That level of articulation and precision with electric motors is a significant advance.
Heard of the Shadow Dexterous Hand?
Beep boop.
2018 24 degrees of freedom. First released was more like 2013. https://openai.com/index/learning-dexterity/ So welcome Tesla to the early 2010s?
That’s missing the point. No-one is saying this is new. But if they can build that at scale and keep cost down it’s impressive. No-one is currently producing humanoid robots at scale, yet Tesla had 50. Still far away from mass production, but this would be a ground breaking product if it’s actually capable of doing stuff. I guess most of that is up to the evolution of AI. They don’t have to think for themselves if they can do enough stuff. Elon suggests the cost of things will go down, I see the unemployment rate going up. So many easily automatable tasks. Heck, even construction and carpentry with some extra training. Give it a few extra arms and one robot can do what requires two humans today.
But they havent built it at scale, this is a prototype, and one that boost tech from 10 years ago. Scale only make sense when there is demand. At best this will be a 10k toy with limited release and even more limited application.
You really have no idea. The demand for humanoid robots will be in the billions, if they can do basic stuff for a price like $30k. You buy two for every worker you can replace with them, and have an ROI in less than a year, because so they can work 24/7.
Surely it'd need charged at some point. Fast charging would degrade the battery quicker too. I'm assuming there's no information on battery size and specs, since it's Elon.
If the work is stationary (which it is in a lot of factories) then you can have the robot hooked up with a charging cable.
OpenAI robotics was so far ahead of its field and it's time, but the hands they used for this most likely had a higher cost than the entire Optimus robot.
> So many easily automatable tasks. Heck, even construction and carpentry with some extra training. Well, that remains to be seen. How easy will it be to program? This is a significant threshold for adoption. There aren't many bots available that are decidedly user friendly for programming, so the field is new. Saying that "it'll be super easy, because Tesla can do it" will be underestimating the task severely. The future of robotics will be how easy they are to program.
Johnny Silverhand?
And what's the point of that??
Id pay 60k for a robot that would do my dishes and laundry for me. Doesnt need to do anything else.
Why would you pay for legs if all you need is a stationary robot? Those already exist.
 That’s all it reminds me of
Wrist motion looks jerky and one-dimensional in those gifs.
Cyborgs can exist now.
That's like asking what's the point of humans having fingers in the first place.
Maybe once in a while the robot has to move to restock supplies for whatever assembly job it is doing. Maybe it has to move the cart that holds the assembled parts because it is full. Also, the robot can be repurpose for a million other tasks because it has legs.
You guys are hilarious
Somebody in another thread was speculating they could eventually help with home healthcare tasks which would be neat, but would require a lot of dexterity. I wonder if it can wash its own hands yet or put on a sterile glove?
This is remarkable. Was this a separate little demo at the event?
I'm not sure what you mean? Tesla is training them on neural nets. No user will program them. Just like I don't program my Tesla. It is walled garden software. You just talk to the robot and it does tasks for you. It will get over the air updates. If it breaks, you will have to request service.
24/7 minus the charging time which I'm really curious about.
Assisted living near me costs $6k per month. Memory care is $9k per month. A home health robot while being able to live at home or independent living would be huge. Human labor is extremely expensive.
Yeah. While I think most pie in the sky ideas for this tech are probably not going to pencil out economically (is a tesla bot *really* cheaper than a minimum wage worker), home health care might be an exception. The issue is that getting a robot to do things like catheterize a patient, insert an IV, disburse meds, etc. is really complicated and high risk.
Is it? What's the point of robotic arms playing a piano?
Are u this dense m8
The point is, if it can play the piano, it can do a WHOLE load more too. The piano statement is just one example. I can't believe I need to say this.
Please keep pretending youy have the understtanding of what it takes a robotic arm to play the piano and what other uses it may have. This level of tech was already solved.
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> You just talk to the robot and it does tasks for you. I don't think you have any idea how tall an order that is or even understand the problem.
I have a masters in computer science and a bachelor's in mechanical engineering. I understand the problem. I'm not saying it is easy, I'm just telling you what Tesla intends to do from their discussions during their AI days.
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Then describe the problem for me, because you didn't describe it before.
Is it really robbing kids of inheritance by making people pay for a service? You could say the same for anything. By making me pay my mortgage my kids are going to inherit less. The builder should just give me the house? Not arguing that assisted living as it exists today isn't garbage though.
Like I said, Tesla wants you to interact with the robot like it's your personal assistant. So it will likely use LLMs (probably GrokAI) to ingest commands from you and convert those into actions using neural networks. In fact, they have several videos of Optimus using a modified version of Tesla Full Self Driving software. This means they probably copied their existing neural networks stack and modified it so that instead of vision inputs and steering outputs, it's vision inputs along with user direction resulting in actuator outputs. None of this is really new but the really hard thing is keeping costs down and making it safe for the average joe.
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Yes. There are many more degrees of freedom with a walking, articulating robot.
Degradation shouldn't be an issue. If need be do more frequent shorter charges (from say 30-70%) to maximize life and minimize charging time (by sticking to the faster parts of the charging curve). Have a number of robots at a station and one charging next to it, rotating every 10-15 minutes. Tesla batteries are intended to last the useful life of the vehicle and they build stationary storage products intended to operate for decades, I'm sure they have a handle on this. Batteries will only get better, worst case make a warranty claim on the Robo's battery.
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Could be integrated as prosthetics later on. Could also be used on automatons that can do things for you. It’s like those drones that can deliver drinks to you at restaurants. Automates something and makes human life easier.
I would think that the bot could take over some of the simpler tasks, like making sure they drink enough water, „entertain“ them, or help them in other ways. That would relieve some time pressure on the more professional personnel.
Unless you are able to go buy this now, then no.
For things like water reminders and entertainment there are far cheaper solutions that work just as well. Modern hospital beds already vocally tell patients to not get out of bed if it detects them trying.
The fact is providing those services is expensive. Yes, companies can make 10-20% profit BUT even if you reduced prices by 10-20% to eliminate profit they’d still be really expensive and just as shitty. Your assets should be used to fund the care you need. There’s nothing wrong with spending your money to cover your life expenses. No one is entitled to an inheritance.
it definitely won't be able to play guitar
That presupposes they don't use inductive charging in their environment, or tethered power when stationary, and there's also the possibility of having robots going around hot-swapping batteries on robots.
To me it looks a lot bigger than a hand.
How many people can it feed
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Send them to mars?
Not Short Circuit at the beginning where the guy has a hand play piano?
Ok hear me out
Could it please a woman?
Those GIFs are demonstrating ML learning taught to manipulate objects. The Tesla video is a preprogrammed routine…
The Optimus robot is pointless until they demonstrate something new or something that isn’t teleoperation. We also don’t know the Optimus price other than random Elon claims over how much it’ll go on sale for.
I wonder how sensitive its sense of touch is. Humans can detect texture change due to adding a single layer of molecules. We also use the rate at which an object draws heat from our fingertips to differentiate substances.
>They drain their bank accounts and sell all of their assets if not protected. Often robbing the inheritance from their kids. Literally *none* of this is true. First of all, assisted living is like living in an apartment. It costs money, and a lot of money. Second, if someone dies with debt to their name creditors get first line to any remaining assets in the estate. This doesn't include trusts by the way.
> So you'd rather the assets and money that was accumulated and rightly earned by said person to be given to a corporation and not the direct family members of said person in a senior care home? Yes, because the social contract of society is that people have free will and with that free will includes the right to spend their money however they want. Nobody is entitled to an inheritance, and the irony is that so many millionaires/billionaires that make the corporations you criticize... got started with a large inheritance.
The fact that all of the equipment isn't out in the open makes me think that there's a guy pulling the strings underneath there like some sophisticated Muppet hand.
You guys would literally believe anything.
Right, and the teleoperation was very simple. They had a robot pour from taps that were pre-filled with ice and some robots waving. The dance part was programmed in and the march was too. So even the teleoperation is not exactly ready for prime time.
Why not?
But that is the end game for FSD like AI. It can be trained on watching 100,000,000 catheter insertions and eventually be far better than even the best doctor could ever be. Don't think about shaky first gen robots. Think about 10-20-50-100 years down the track. That is what Elon is shooting for.
There’s a reason you can’t see the whole thing. This design with artificial tendons requires large motors with an unreasonable amount of torque. They hide the motors because there’s no way you could ever mount them on a mobile robot.
It should end with like a thumbs up and go down
“Most likely” = made up guess
You’re thinking too human… a robot would be able to put their hands into a steam cleaning chamber followed by UV sterilization. They wouldn’t need gloves.
I was referring to the sterile glove more as a dexterity test. If you've ever maintained a sterile field while putting gloves on, then you know it's kinda tricky and takes very careful effort. As a paraplegic, if I were unable to complete my home health tasks like catheterization, injections, rectal stimulation, medications, bowel programs, etc, I'd *strongly* prefer that the robot wears gloves -- even if there is a separate sterilization procedure. More precautions are always better than fewer. I wear gloves doing most of these tasks on myself even though I wash my hands, after all.
This has always been the problem with advanced robotics. Making a robot that can do high-dexterity tasks with a lot of variation like washing, drying, and folding laundry is insanely complicated. We aren't even close. There's no way anyone who wants it could afford it and it's much, much cheaper to hire a person to do it for you *even* if you significantly overpay them. So there's not a lot of effort spent on robots that can reduce the strain of domestic tasks. The focus ends up instead on very repetitive tasks with little variation because that's orders of magnitude easier. Assembly line work is a win. Shooting guns is a win. Stuff where we'd have many fatalities per project if we used human labor are a big win. It turns out we don't even care if these robots can work unsupervised in those hazardous environments. The point is to take a human out of the equation and replace them with something cheaper. This is a strong need in industry and can be very profitable for people who are employers but would like to stop employing people. But industrial users don't give a snot if the robot looks like a human. So like, home health care is overkill here. The tasks the robot can do are the kinds of things you don't need a trained nurse to do and can be done with alarms on a smartphone already. The place I see this kind of tech going is, "What if it could do some surgeries?" But you don't need an entire bipedal robot that can walk to do that. You really just need the hand. And it's questionable if you really need a facsimile of a human hand instead of cheaper, easier-to-engineer attachments meant to operate specific instruments with more precision. People can already DIY robots that play pianos and guitars. Search Youtube for it. They may not look like a human, but is it really worth paying millions of dollars of R&D for that? Bartending robots have been on display for as long as I've lived with much simpler hands, they're just not cheap or fast enough compared to human labor and can't take on the liabilities like age-checking or preventing overserving. I don't think the industrial sector is saying, "Well, we have robots for these tasks, but it stinks we have to buy 3 different models for 3 different tasks. I'd rather pay more money to have one model that does all three things." That's what confuses me about this whole product. It's meant to be an "everything robot", but where robots excel is when we can make them *highly specialized*, so all our R&D goes into making them cheaper and better than a human because we eliminate things humans need to do other tasks. The human hand is versatile, but most of the time the *tools* we put in it are what does the work and we had to carefully design those tools to deal with the advantages and disadvantages of our hands. It doesn't feel like they're aiming to make a robot that does things better than current robots, but more like they're aiming to make a robot that *looks cooler* while it does those things. I'm not sure their target market cares. But hey. Neat tech. I'd love to find out they have something up their sleeve that makes me look silly. I'd pay a lot for a housework robot. The space shuttle is an amazing engineering feat but wasn't as commercially viable as they wanted. Making it caused us to develop a lot of tech that made a ton of other things better. I can't complain that they're trying.
I can hear haters saying this is shit because is pre/programmed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d1F6ZGdpuQ
We are so far away from it having the dexterity needed to perform incredibly complex tasks.
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