Are the Tesla Optimus Robots remote controlled on the We Robot Event?

If this is a person, they're about to get fired. Each hand is supposed to have 22 actuators and that's a pretty basic question.

Seemed like it.

Such an obvious con…JC

[Yes.](https://x.com/ray4tesla/status/1844606188790370611) This shouldn't even be anything anyone needs to question.

This is how Disney controls R2D2 in their amusement parks. Tesla is using magic tricks to make their tech work.

I thought that was on the new hand, which was demoed by itself? I didn’t think the bots last night were using the new hands yet?

Yes, obviously. I don't think anyone claimed they'd be autonomous AI walking around and interacting with people. It's not like Optimus is *done*.

Yup, without a doubt. Good example.

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I watched the whole thing and I don't think he said anything about the robots walking around being autonomous. This was supposed to be a vision of the future.

When you say it isn’t a canned video, I think you’re implying they are capable of performing the tasks shown. I mean, I guess it’s still pretty neat that the robot itself can move the way it does.

Elon did claim the robots will be used in production internally by the end of this year a few months ago. So its fair for someone to assume it could be somewhat autonomous already.

What's the chances the cabs were too, given the history of things like the "coast-to-coast" demo?

Moving through a pre-programmed set of motions is easy for a robot. Doing peace signs, and that 'aww yea' head nod when talking with people at the bar pretty much reveals they're remotely operated. So you can use these robots to outsource physical labor at home to third world countries!

"Can I just screw this bolt on?" 'No - you've got to climb into this outfit, don your VR goggles, remotely puppet a robot AND THEN you can screw the bolt on. This is the future'

First off, unless there is \*something\* really deep in the comment list, nothing actually backs you up here. Second, of all the things about Optimus, being able to understand voice and respond in a smooth manner is probably the \*least\* impressive thing. It probably only would seem impressive to someone not really up-to-date on where the LLM tech has gone the last 6 months. So yeah, it's ok to question it. And I mean that in both directions. Personally, I think it \*is\* remotely controlled, simply to reduce the number of things that could go wrong. The bots were neat, but people came to see the robotaxi.

The host called the event a show and a party. It was literally held on a movie studio set. The only other guy on stage was visual designer Franz. Whether bot was controlled or not doesn't matter. No one doubts AI bot is possible. But making it dance for the public by some due date can't be a priority. They keep getting better no worries. People that aren't in the R&D game are too dreamy and keep having inflated expectations.

50%? Navigating in a controlled environment that Tesla has trained their model for is much more plausible.

There's a huge gap between "We expect to be using Optimus autonomously in a controlled factory environment by December" and "We'll have Optimus autonomously milling about and interacting with crowds of non-Tesla employees in October".

please just shoot it horizontal next time

And even if they are remote controlled, the machine is still impressive and theres still a bunch of stuff where a remote controlled robot would be heckin cool.

Honestly what a load of crap 😂

Controlled or not, this is super impressive with the additional and super flexible limb movements it can do now. They’ve made a lot of progress in a very short time

He did say something along the lines of "Last time they were people in a robot costume so you can see we are making progress". The hardware has clearly come along.

It’s interesting that people are getting riled up about them potentially being remote controlled. But also overlooking that they are showing off some pretty nice hardware that can walk and articulate gestures while being remotely controlled.  The cars were being controlled by drivers in the seat, then supervised FSD, then eventually unsupervised thus removing the controller.  The same could happen with the robots. Remotely and safely controlled by humans, then the software replaces the human. It’s an iterative process people. This is a glimpse of what could be, not what is.

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I think you make a great point about the event being a show, but I’d push back on the idea that teaching Optimus to "dance for the public" isn’t important. Tesla seems to be focusing on developing movement in a similar way that large language models (LLMs) handle text. Teaching a robot to dance likely isn’t an isolated, flashy programming task just for PR—it’s part of training it to handle complex movement patterns, balance, coordination, and real-world interaction, which are all critical challenges in robotics.

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Low. Fsd as it exists today is more than capable of navigating a closed course such as the one that was used for the demonstration. Some specific training and route planning, a little ui design for the event and voila.

This is remote motion capture and a microphone and there is nothing debatable about that even considering up-to-date LLMs. I think that’s fine and am super impressed about how fluid the movement is and how it’s picking up pretty subtle nuances of the operator but this is not an autonomous robot acting on its own. I know you said you don’t believe this either but it’s more obvious than you make it sound. If Optimus could do that they could already sell it into households.

It was definitely worded in a way that let people think that they were autonomous without actually saying that they were: " Optimus is not a canned video. It's not walled off. The Optimus robots will walk among you." " It's a wild experience to have humanoid robots... and they're just there. They're just in front of you" I suppose they are technically still humanoid robots if they were being controlled remotely... But he definitely let people think that they were AI. And he also had plausible deniability.

I don't think they would risk it for this event, But AI is capable of all of that already. It's just still pretty unpredictable and inconsistent.

It's a video of an upright humanoid robot. Which will be mostly viewed on vertical phones. Why on Earth would it be filmed horizontally? You would be wasting most of the resolution on the crowd.

Zero. FSD already exists today, it is certainly good enough to be unleashed in a controlled environment like this. Whatever awkwardness it has would probably be worse with remote operators physically steering.

No integrated system currently exists which can both physically articulate and emote and verbally respond in this manner. In other videos online people have full-blown conversations with the robots, who do not at all respond like they're LLM-powered. I think the preponderance of evidence for people familiar with technologies like these is that they have to have been remotely operated.

Hardware's pretty easy. If you are super impressed with hardware, there's [like a dozen startups out there ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzX1qOIO1bE)who've [thrown a bunch of servos onto a torso](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SRVJaOg9Co) and have them doing dextrous tasks with roughly equivalent fidelity to what Tesla's shown. Software is the hard part.

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https://i.redd.it/0trxa93w76ud1.gif It is just like American Dad

Some of them were. Mainly only the ones that were open in the crowd. The ones pouring drinks and handing out gifts were not. Nor the ones dancing in the gazebo. I had a friend work the event.

Elon has a decade long history of compulsively lying about all kinds of things. I love Tesla but it’s insane that a CEO has this reputation so we should and will freely question anything he says about anything Tesla until evidence backs it up. But enjoy your belief that Robotaxis will be driving around LA and Austin in 2026. While you’re waiting, why not read this exciting article with Elon claiming robotaxis in 2020: [https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a32159871/tesla-robo-taxis-still-coming-2020/](https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a32159871/tesla-robo-taxis-still-coming-2020/)

The one handing out the cookies was also , at least the voice part. He complimented my shirt and I sensed a bit of some accent and ask if he spoke spanish. He then talked to me and answered clearly everything I asked from him in spanish.

What gives it away is that it does those things nearly instantly.

Yeah - having a slave that you can deactivate any time.

>No integrated system currently exists And crucially, no integrated system is likely to plausibly exist (in real-time, as shown) with the hardware Optimus is equipped with, or the known software stack. It's a suggestion so preposterous that only those who have no frame of reference for the computational requirements would believe it. A demo arguably designed to see how much kool-aid you've actually drunk. You might as well start a discussion about whether Cyberpunk 2077 RTX can run on a SNES.

1000% Yes.

What we like is clear explanations of what is being shown, not some vague stuff. Tech presentations are usually very factual, not with Tesla. You’re being shown some stuff with a vague enough description that some people think it’s real and some kind of even more vague realase date. We all know the tech will be there fairly soon, so why present it without explaining clearly how the robots are operated.

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Have you seen Disney's animatronics. Without systems, to back this up, it's really not any different

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The stock price reflect that imo. Anyone with functioning brain cells could tell that the dialogue between the Optimus and the guests is that of live humans on the other end. I'm sure everyone was even more disappointed in yet another year of failed FSD promise.

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Controlled or not, Tesla's silence on the issue is super awful and deceitful. If the point of the demo is to provide investors enough information to put in money then they should not be withholding that information.

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>It's a suggestion so preposterous that only those who have no frame of reference for the computational requirements would believe it. A demo arguably designed to see how much kool-aid you've actually drunk. Why do you talk like this? Do you really need to put others down with every comment? 99% of people on here have no technical experience in this field, they're just interested in a new technology, which is great. What fraction of the population is it you think should have a solid frame of reference for the computational requirements of an emerging field? I guess anyone without comprehensive knowledge of this specialized technology is an idiot?

Yes

I don't understand why many articles claim that Tesla “tricked” the public because some robots were remote-controlled. The most amazing thing to me was actually the hardware itself. I think making them autonomous for certain tasks/functions will be the “easy” part - getting a real humanoid robot to walk or even be able to pour a drink sounds much harder to do :D

Isn't this how they control those waiters bots in Japan? Don't get me wrong, it's a great technology regardless. Think about the myriad of situations where this could be useful, from disaster rescue to bomb squads. And yes, they could be used as remote soldiers too, of course. - [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GnGKfiYqlng](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GnGKfiYqlng)

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There's no other way to interpret the text that I quoted. Don't talk down to everyone with insufferably condescending language. Thanks.

>There's no other way to interpret the text that I quoted. Yeah, there is. The word 'idiot' appears literally nowhere in my previous comment. You are shovelling words into my mouth — knock it off.

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This is what I keep saying. I don't really care if they're remote control, that's just operations. The fact they were as you said, walking around without wires and pouring drinks... That's awesome.

Operations are easy. Hardware is hard.

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It's clearly being controlled and voiced by someone in a motion capture rig or something.

Because the way robots are operated is not set in stone. Each part of the hardware and software could be improved and replaced at any day.

My car is a slave?!

well it is **hard**ware so you are right!

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>Focusing on a specific word here is, ironically, idiotic. Cool, fun to see you've dropped the pretense and gone straight into the personal attacks you've accused me of. Good stuff.

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I just came on here to say the same thing. Disney have had advanced animatronics for years now. This is just a sleight of hand

I don't know that it's 0% but even as a skeptic, them having so much time to train for it and it's all a pretty controlled environment, so it seems unlikely. I absolutely believe most of the robot actions were remote controlled.

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Not even the ones handing out the little bags? Those looked super smooth, precise, and I don't see how they could have been remote controlled so perfectly. The drink pouring robots and the ones walking around seemed more shaky, imprecise, random, and less robotic, so it makes sense that those were remote controlled.

Sounds like Blippi....

Really? Openai is now the industry leader in voice AI?

Have you tried using voice commands in a Tesla? I think the concern with it being automated or basically puppets, is that they try so hard to obscure that. They put on this show to pretend like it's so advanced, when it really isn't. It moves smooth even if it is a puppet but that isn't an advancement over like what the Boston robots can do.

Get back to us when Disney animatronics are designed to move about factories assemble cars and problem solve.

>’And crucially, no integrated system is likely to plausibly exist (in real-time, as shown) with the hardware Optimus is equipped with, or the known software stack. It’s a suggestion so preposterous that only those who have no frame of reference for the computational requirements would believe it. A demo arguably designed to see how much kool-aid you’ve actually drunk.’ -[Recoil42](https://www.reddit.com/u/Recoil42) So if I can talk to ChatGPT about nearly any topic on my phone in close to real time, why would the inference processor from Hardware 5 not have enough compute power to run Grok or at least interface with it on a Tesla compute cloud? Hell, Claude 3 [needs only 8GB of RAM and a 4 core processor. GPU’s are optional.](https://claude3.pro/how-do-i-download-and-install-claude-3/) Please help me better understand your criticism.

Yes it’s so easy that’s why it doesn’t exist yet? Because it’s so easy??

I assumed any robot interacting with the public was remote controlled. The insurance liability alone would make sure that was the case. Can't risk a Westworld scenario yet.

and its movements had overshoot, as in the limbs went beyond their stopping point and came back to them - autonomous motor control would be more precise, but the humans wearing the controls were moving like humans and we like to move around and lot more. All the little bouncing / drifting movements, robots don't do that.

Also the robotaxis were remote controlled. You can see a guy running commands on a tablet that coincides with every action

I think that was the main point, to show off the hardware, it will take millions more hours of training before they can be independant.

I know that the voices were remote controlled, but i am pretty sure the booth workers were just being monitored; I can ask again. The bandwidth required too run the robots remotely was to high for the wifi infrastructure, so they could only do a few of them in certain areas where they was proper coverage.

It certainly proves the dexterity is there with the new hands Tesla developed for this version

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If you’re amazed at the hardware then you should look at what Boston Dynamics and other robot companies have achieved in the past 15 years

No they werent, the guys with the tablets were monitoring everything in the event of a issue; They didnt have the coverage or the bandwidth to have someone actually drive the car for them. All of the cars were running on 5G. All of the infrastructure tesla brought was using starlink as they didnt want any of their traffic going through warner bros; Only the guest wifi was on the warner network.

The robots are out in view of the public, with Tesla having already talked about wanting them to perform tasks autonomously. The implication is very much that they were doing everything by themselves. Not remote controlled. While it's not an outright lie, I completely see the argument of it being a lie by omission.

I have the same question as you -why couldn't Optimus tap into an LLM to converse with people? I've been blown away by how good the verbal communications are with the latest LLMs. Extremely human-like. Yes, some or all were apparently remotely operated and people say it was a human talking for it, but I could see it being tied into a cutting edge model easily within a year or two. The sizes of the models are shrinking, so possibly like Apple is going to do - a combination of onboard AI and cloud AI if not all on board (local compute).

What about the hardware was remarkable? The hardware looks like things others did build almost 10 years ago. With more spandex and a cool light surrounded visor.

If that was done by any other company the share price would be -90% and the CEO and entire C-suite would be forced to resign.

... what? Both 5G and Starlink are easily enough to drive a car through a scripted scenario at low speed.

My guess is that Tesla just isn’t focused on that yet, and it is most likely a future role for the Grok team. But if you listen to u/Recoil42 he’s trying to say that Optimus will never be powerful enough to use an LLM. lol!

You mean the thing originally designed and demoed as a tele-robotics platform? Yes. It has bipedal motion, can navigate crowds, and has near-instant communication which means it's being operated by a human. You wouldn't have a live robotics demo with multiple bipedal robot's in a large crowd without some form of training wheels or puppet strings attached. And given how close and nervous the handlers are to it, it makes me think they are well aware of this problem.

I am unsure. They consistently lead on all chat rankings. But I have not seen a big voice model ranking, yet. But from what tech pages I have seen the GPT-4o was always ranked best.

Slave? Like that toaster I have at home that I can just deactivate any time and even store away in a dark cabinet?

FSD is not cleared by Tesla itself to service the Hyperloop. Its a dedicated tunnel that is one way, clearly marked and without any other traffic. They will not risk screwing this up on camera. Some dude did drive that car or it just cleared waypoints the tought it earlier.

FSD is not cleared by Tesla itself to service the Hyperloop. Its a dedicated tunnel that is one way, clearly marked and without any other traffic. They will not risk screwing this up on camera. Some dude did drive that car or it just cleared waypoints the tought it earlier.

> What fraction of the population is it you think should have a solid frame of reference for the computational requirements of an emerging field? Serious investors thinking about purchasing Tesla stock have just shown that they're not happy about purchasing smoke and mirrors without a realistic go-to-market strategy.

No LLM currently available is behaving like they do. Especially not the subtle untertones and the perfect understand of people in a large crowd and even some background music.

the actuator technology inside of them is what is impressive. Right now they are not really able to show it off as the software is to slow to keep up; But the articulation of the fingers at the speed they can articulate with out the need for hydraulics is what is impressive. There was a quick part of the video that showed just a hand and how fast it was able to move, around 1:26:15 is when they kind of showed it. Tesla said they had to invent their own actuators because what was available on the market wasnt good enough.

The hand actuators are really good. Most other robot design teams do not bother with hands. Any robots actually used in industry will not 100% mimic humans. That would be horribly inefficient. Boston Dynamics also did a demonstration on a robot with humanoid hands handling actual loads. Pretty impressive! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWXdBxqQL7I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWXdBxqQL7I) A robot that installs a fender will not use hands. A robot that installs seats and fastens the screws will not use hands. Both will use optimized tools that can optimally carry, place and fasten the object that they have to handle.

If they don’t do enough “Tesla and Elon make shit robots” If they do enough “they’re remotely controlled”

Nah. It’s a closed course. Really nothing to it. You are likely correct on idea 2. Some focused training and constraints. Probably had some safety override features, but the demonstration wasn’t anything that couldn’t be controlled. Wouldn’t be surprised if attendants had to sign a waiver before participating. The tunnel is open access to the public, this was a closed circuit private event. Again, imo, there was no fancy new FSD on display here, this was a product/company vision reveal masquerading as an autonomy demonstration.

autonomous bit is easy... ha. nothing is easy with robots. nothing.

Yes. They obviously are and Tesla has shown the remote interface before so we know they do this internally. Elon even flubbed in his introduction by saying "enjoy interacting with our oper--robors"

This is the first battery-powered bipedal robot that manipulate delicate objects with its hands with tactile sensors. It is easy to do that when the robots is wired since you have unlimited power and compute and don't care about the weight. The goal of Optimus is to be able to replace humans without changing the environment where you want to put them in. Most of the progress so far is the agility of the hand

There are about 3 or 4 robotics companies who did all this shit…better…like 3 or 4 years ago. But their CEOs name doesn’t start with an E and end with a K.

First i want to say that the current beta of FSD can easily handle the route the car took; So there is no reason for someone to control the car manually. They might of had commands like 'open door' or something like that if someone couldnt find the button, but in general, the cars were operating on their own. I will say, they drove that route about 10000 times, so the AI knew the route pretty good. Second, i dont want to get into specifics, but think about the risk in using public cellular at a event with over 1000 people. In order to control the car, you need to have streaming video of what the car sees; any network delay or dropped packets and it would be to late for the controller to react. So if there are a lot of people taking pictures, live streaming etc, then that traffic will have to contend with all the non-essential traffic. \

The Claude 3 thing you linked to is just a web client (it allows you to talk to Claude sonnet 3.5, which is a SaaS hosted-only product). The actual model in no way can run on that hardware, which is what the OP was saying about an integrated stack: all running on local hardware. This falls into the "this is a preposterous suggestion that only those with no frame of reference" situation the OP talks about.

At that point you don't use a humanoid robot, you use a normal one that they already use in manufacturing. This is supposed to be a 1 size fits all solution; The same bot will walk your dog, put your grocery's away and rotate your tires.

i think the robots that were handing out drinks/bags were autonomous in their actions but the speech was remotely operated. It doesnt seem that difficult to train bots to do certain things based on humans input. IE pointing at a bag pick it up and give it to them. quite similar to the demo theyve show in videos of bots moving batteries between trays. i dont think this is far fetched when compared to that. the ones walking around had voices that sounded wayy too humanlike and responses were too quick to be AI. Those ones are being remotely operated but i dont think they are being moved by the operator, maybe im just too much of a fan boy but it doesnt seem that out of this world. i Still think it was cool to see how well they were moving

because the youtube video is horizontal, I'm old and turning a phone 90 degrees is easy

I think the goal of Optimus is low cost and mass production at a scale that Boston Dynamics is not even attempting to match.

This is what I see too. Not the software part. Everyone’s comparing to BD but the rate of improvement is vastly quicker. 2 or so years to get here to BDs 15+. So like SpaceX, will be leapfrogging the legacy robot companies in no time.

Huh, I'm watching it on YouTube on my phone and it's full screen vertical.

Lots of Robotics companies but nothing out for the mass consumer market. Prototypes are easy… it’s who can mass produce first will win out in the end.

It’s like reading science fiction. It’s all for the hope of a brighter future. Doesn’t matter if you hate Elon and his timelines. NO company is doing any of this now in mass market way so opinions on Elon time is moot.

cause it was some guy in a back room listening with a mic and replying. that wasn't an LLM

What’d they say?

The only problem is that they do not seem to have a plan for getting it to walk your dog, put away your groceries, or rotate your tires other than "have someone operate it."

truth. there is no LLM at play here.

The correct answer is the dancing robots in the gazebo were "autonomous" but just playing an animation loop. The walking robots were walking automatically but likely steered remotely. When not walking, the upper body of all the robots besides the gazebo ones was remote controlled ("teleoperated") by humans wearing motion capture gloves and VR headsets, the same setup they use for data collection for factory tasks. Here is a video of what it looks like: https://x.com/OwenSparks_/status/1844694396895199305

This isn't the investors sub. Most people here are just interested in the technology and don't need to be talked down to for lacking technical engineering expertise. I'm not really sure what this has to do with my comment either way. The person I responded to made no reference to investors. They just ridiculed anyone who's excited about this and thought the bots may have been fully autonomous. A pretty reasonable mistake for a layman interested in the technology. There's always that vocal minority of miserable redditors that need to make everyone feel stupid though. God forbid people ask questions or get excited about something they don't intimately understand.

This was not impressive. The hardware problem was solved a long time ago. The impressive thing would be AGI effectively turning instructions in actionable and efficient solutions. That did not happen, it’s useless in reality. Elon and his crew of non technical followers are at it again. I own a Tesla and have been following Elon for years, he’s full of shit lately. - An engineer

Mate, despite the fact that it was planned and pre-programmed for the show — FSD works fine on it’s own without tricks. Telling you that as a M3 owner.

When did Tesla first unveil a humanoid robot?

2022

Ok then run a local instance of LLAMA 🦙. Going back to my original question that you ignored, hardware 3/4/5 uses custom chips made by TSMC and runs the localized inference model for Tesla FSD. That inference computer is no slouch and actually runs duplicate processors as a fail safe. They both always run. Tesla FSD integrates realtime data from 6 cameras plus map data and local data like acceleration … etc. FSD works locally on the car and is proven to work. So if Tesla takes that exact same hardware which uses much more data throughput in a car and places it inside Optimus, you think that it somehow doesn’t have enough compute to at the very least interface with an LLM on the cloud, or even run a very limited one of its own? It has an entire second computer just sitting there since it isn’t needed outside of driving. But somehow in your eyes, I’m not qualified to discuss this on Reddit? Gatekeep much?

Fine as in almost always very good or 100% of the times perfect and being able to show that to a few million people.

What? Lol you're deluded

You act As if natural conversation is this highly unobtainable thing lol. Chatgtp anyone?

I‘m seeing remote controlled by some kind of motion capture and just human voice. Still super impressive the robot itself

As if it's hard to code in 5-10% overshoot to all movements to look more natural. The same way ChatGPT pauses, says hmm, or expresses other "human" speech affectations when speaking, because it's been told to sound human. Optimus could easily be told to move like a human, which means not every movement is precisely the same as the time before. Not saying this is exactly the case, but it's certainly easy to understand why it can be.

I mean there are robo tacos now in Los Angeles and Austin. Just waymo and not Tesla.

The gift-bag one was making eye contact and playing games with people, including rock-paper-scissors. Definitely remote-operated. Which is still impressive. They definitely have a good VR setup with the operator getting fast feedback. Hell they could send one up on the next Dragon and have it do work outside the space station (after accounting for being in a vacuum etc.)!

Did someone actually think they were autonomous🤦‍♂️ Only the dancing ones were, and it was all obvious. Impressive still, on many regards.

I don't think going to cloud for inference on a robot is a viable solution, and neither did OP. Running everything on local hardware is the solution - see (as you say) the FSD computers in HW3+, which also could just use 5G or whatever to talk to Grok 3 instead of using on-car hardware. But they don't. Why not? If your position is "they should just go to cloud for inference" then I disagree. EDIT: and if your position is they *can* run a Claude-like LLM on local hardware on Optimus, I also disagree. Even with custom ASICs we are a long way from being able to run 400B+ models on a walking platform like that.

> The most amazing thing to me was actually the hardware itself. Becaause it's not. I seen robots a'la optimus ~10 years go in robotics lab at my alma mater. The hardware for them is trivial to make, software is the hard part. That's why press rightly claims it was yet another staged show by Tesla. And they are right.

One thing at a time. Top priority is having it take on factory tasks and such, to get to external sales sooner rather than later. Bots for personal use probably won’t be until the 2030s.

Except for how obvious it was that they were remote-operated.

Yeah, but it seemed like it only played rock paper scissors, and kept awkwardly doing the exact same little dance and motions to people between giving people bags. A couple people also tried to point to which bags they wanted, but it seemed like it ignored them and kept picking up bags in order. It also seemed like some people just wanted to get their bag and go, but it would awkwardly take a long time to realize they were there and react to them. Who knows… I just thought that one seemed more robotic than the other ones.

It's the clear attempt at deception that bothers me. Most of the people watching the event are just average people with no knowledge of this kind of tech or any ability to sus out what is real or possible at the moment. Hell, many of the people even on this subreddit (a group almost certainly skewed to more techy people that are much more likely to be following this stuff) didn't know the robots were being controlled. There are a bunch of comments even insisting that they WEREN'T. The comments people are making about "well obviously this wasn't autonomous, no one would believe that, it's just a glimpse of the future" don't sit well with me. If they had made it explicitly clear beforehand that this was a demonstration, and that they were being controlled and voiced by real people, I would have said it was a fun and admirable demonstration. The hands are certainly impressive, and the movement was fluid. Maybe they could have even done something like introducing the person controlling the suit and giving a quick demonstration of how the mocap tech works and mirrors his movements. But they didn't do that. Lots of people believe that this is something that can be done NOW, autonomously. And I think that that vagueness and ambiguity was absolutely intentional.

Tesla missed an opportunity of putting one of these into the drivers seat of a M3 or MY to make a Johnny Cab, like in Total Recall..

What about Honda's Asimo?

Then the boss should probably not go up on stage and tell everyone that the robot will cost $30k and babysit your children.

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Boston Dynamics is impressive but whats the point of having researched and spending all that R&D, if you never actually end up doing anything with it. That is where Boston Dynamic has sort of disappointed me, teasing a future they will not help create.

> It's a suggestion so preposterous that only those who have no frame of reference for the computational requirements would believe it. Except I'm pretty sure that's exactly what tesla was trying to pretend was happening here. If they were comfortable with these being fully human controlled and just being a tech demo for the hardware, why didn't they announce it that way? Also I would say there are lots of people who don't have any frame of reference for how any of this works. Honestly probably the majority of americans who will see these videos on social media.

I’m saying there are two options. But if the FSD computers can already run more data locally, then why can’t a light version of an LLM also run on that hardware. Think basic manufacturing, a very limited LLM is all that Optimus needs at this stage. It really just needs to understand basic commands like ‘Follow me’, ‘Pick that box up’ … etc. In a bar setting, the local computer can drive that critical manual labor while a cloud based client can handle the friendly and witty conversation just fine. You can have both. FSD hardware is well proven and is what is currently controlling Optimus’ actions, no reason why it can’t also run a limited verbal command LLM one day.

Not turning it is even easier. It's small because you are trying to watch it horizontal.

"lead on rankings" depends on what we're defining the capabilities and more importantly having quantitative measurements against the maturity of those capabilities.

belongs in a Museum Joke aside, its autonomy was 1 hour, and no NN logic.

Yeah, honestly mass production is going to be when it becomes real to me. It's when normalish people get their hands on it.

A 2min edited youtube video is a proof that it has been "done already"? That trailer was posted 7 months after Optimus' Gen 2 one Looks like it's in the same development phase as Optimus if you ask me. Both companies almost have the same job postings (no datacenter roles for figure.ai), but Tesla shows at least the compensation and benefits for each roles.

Hardware is easy. Automation is hard.

Just banter. And what gift bag I wanted , I asked for both and he responded.

They were all autonomous. Trust me. I was one of the robots that night.

Wow! This is huge.

There are people out there being regularly fooled by AI generated images. Like it or not, they're part of the general public. This is a cop-out answer.

I mean, I've seen so many robots out on the internet that can move better than the teslabot the autonomy is the part I was excited about.

So… It was a Warner Brothers new Theme park event with rides and mascots.

>why couldn't Optimus tap into an LLM to converse with people? For me, it isn't just the voice and conversation, but the way the conversation synchronized meaningfully with the bot's body language. If Tesla has this technology, they are seriously downplaying it... which really isn't the Tesla way.

Don’t they primarily provide military equipment/weapons? I think they have a bigger market there.

Show me one LLM model that display fluid human idiosyncrasies and off the cuff responses like Optimus does from last night.

This is the most logical take based on the evidence from watching last night. The ones handing out gift bags were clearly replaying pre trained actions. It was smooth, but not human like at all.

Wouldn't be the first time Elon pulled a stunt like this. The FSD demo was staged.

Well, definitely a step up from the spandex-bot. We're subjects of the hype curve.

Yes and gronk consistently performs not to score a medal. On that show that would be the most advanced voice LLM. By far!

wow

yeah tesla is decades behind lol

The way things are going I could see that happen within a year.

Their robots are a good decade or more behind Boston dynamics capabilities. That's why it's not very special unless they're autonomous

I know for a fact the cars were not remote driven.

Grok is the only LLM I haven't used because I don't feel like paying for Twitter. If your comparison of voice ai is limited to just the popular LLM's there is a lot of competitors you're missing out on.

robots that can walk were invented in 2000, see Aikibo. No one was able to make a robot that can understand instructions and do what you tell it to do

You are correct

In autonomous robot business they indeed are. They really are showing a ten year old tech here. If it was fully software controlled I'd be damn impressed. But dancing humanoid robots were actually a thing for a while, you can google them.

> FSD hardware is well proven and is what is currently controlling Optimus’ actions, no reason why it can’t also run a limited verbal command LLM one day. I thought the problem was that a lot of what was demo'd yesterday *wasn't* the hardware stack, it was tele-op, except for the dancing robots in the gazebo. I do think that future hardware can probably run locally for prescribed tasks, But I don't think the current hardware/software stack can do it. The TSMC N3P chips aren't even in production yet, so I think we're quite a way away, to be honest.

It's my view that all future humanoid robots will be used by their respective countries military.😵

The hardware being no better than Asimo in the early 2000's, yes, super impressive. The fact that you think the autonomous part will be easy just in of itself tells me you're exactly who this demo was for, people who have literally no idea what they're talking about.

Ok...than why did nobody just say it. Why obscure what functions were autonomous and which weren't? ...I think you know.

I feel like they consider their attendees to be intelligent people.

We are talking about Elon Musk, right?

But will this thing crack my porcelain tile

But Disney isn't marketing the park experience of R2D2 as something you can buy and have in your own home

Elon said they were robots. Disney has been doing animatronics for decades. This was a concept tech show. Not a product show. He never said robot like animatronics or remote controlled robots.

They have to train the AI which takes millions of hours of doing basic tasks. When it learns how to use its hand properly, the rest will be automatic. Hands are the hardest thing because it involves so many sensors. It can already walk around the building on its own, they had it watering plants not to long ago. I am assuming they have limiters on the physical hardware as it learns, which is why it seems to move so slowly.

He wants 1 robot to do a lot of tasks. That’s gonna be the hard part

*too

No, since after their Big Dog project wasn't picked. Google at one point bought them and instill the no-military mentality in the company. There clone/copy cat companies who rip off Spot (dog robot) and do arm those. Mainly in Chinese company.

In its current state I could see the DoD paying billions for these. Imagine if a soldier could remotely use these to de-mine a field or defuse bombs with zero risk to the operator.

Oh man I love this idea! Send a few of these fockers up there and have em washing windows and chit lol

That's another development path I see, just like in Surrogates.

I took this video. Staff told me that the bots were semi autonomous with remote operators taking control as needed.

They refer to it as concept these days. Thats need for lie & show me the $ I'll show u more . 🤣

Yeah, making the cars autonomous was also supposed to be "the easy part".

Yeah, because they're not willing to assign three employees in India working shifts for every robot customer.

Then why isn't it being used in the Vegas Loop?

But not in the controlled environment of the Vegas Loop?

I guarantee that robovan unveiled today will see it's first real usage inside the Vegas loop.

What this guy said. I don't drive anywhere anymore, my model y drives me

good point I'm watching it on a desktop so it's showing it as horizontal youtube frame with 60% of the frame blurred out

Everyone had a “friend “ at the event but no proof

Maybe so, but then why these “others” aren’t making robots today?

There was some Tesla video I saw of exactly that - workers wearing VR helmets and feeding their motion directly into the robot standing next to them, presumably for training but could easily be applied to an event like this.

Because that’s left-leaning mainstream media. They have an agenda. That’s literally their job. Most of Reddit is linked to left-leaning news articles so the rage hate is very prominent.

Disney used rigs like that for animatronics back in the 60s. They didn't have cameras in them, though. That would probably be really trippy to have the headset on and see your arms as robot arms.

You win

Kinda Sounds like clap trap.

I think the point is that they basically have the hardware that can move similar to a human. Now they just need to work on the software/ai

The majority of tasks in the factory are designed and sized around the human form. Therefore a humanoid robot becomes interchangable to any task as Optimus's capabilities improve.

Biggest nothing burger of the decade

You’d be surprised at the number of people on X who thought they were AI responses

I find it funny that the wrong “to” was corrected to “too” above. 😆

I get the incredulity of people in disbelief about the conversations the robots were having being remote controlled, but I have also heard interviews where AI chat bots can be reasonably conversational. I think it’s totally possible most/all of the actions last night were autonomous (if some originally trained by VR operators). Edit: Okay, nice to have source material confirming the Optimus units at the event were “human assisted”. https://x.com/TroyTeslike/status/1844903002072596854

Remember when Tesla had that guy jumping around on stage facing in a robot suit, then they wheeled out some janky robot, to the robots on display doing tasks at this event and that gen3 23 degree articulating hand. It’s very impressive the progress in this short time, but haters will always find something to moan about.

Straight from Optimus itself: https://youtu.be/sJ-QPOLXnLw?t=453 I’ve time-stamped the exact spot that I want you to see... It admits to being remote controlled.

Straight from Optimus itself: https://youtu.be/sJ-QPOLXnLw?t=453 I’ve time-stamped the exact spot that I want you to see... It admits to being remote controlled.

100% this. This would be a different conversation if they introduced it as such, something like "Hey, these Optimus's are controlled by humans right now, but this is a glimpse at what interacting with robots might look like in the future". Instead Elon played up the "hey maybe you might be able to buy a Tesla Optimus household assistant at some point idk, check out all these robots walking around with you and serving you beer!

Oh I could just see the marketing that's coming: "Robot accessible touch screen!" "Our tires are designed for robotic fingers - hassle free" "Our printer is guaranteed not to get your robots fingers in a bind when servicing".....

Can they not put up a wifi thing next to them which wired?

Bro, robots, for several years have made more complicated things than a cocktail lol

They'd be a lot more impressive if they had remote controlled them lol

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I had an omnibot 2000 when I was a kid circa 1984 it could pour drinks, play music, wake me up, etc not sure why most of these couldn't be fully automated

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not really.. that tech has been around for 20 plus years. It's nothing more then a puppet

Having dedicated wireless for the robots is impossible? Doesn’t starlink exist for a reason?

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Elon said it would come out it in 2025.

If they were interacting with people in any way, they were being teleoperated.

Hop you enjoyed the ride! Haha! Edit: damn typo

The stock almost always drops after these events. Buy the rumour sell the news.

I imagine people like you saw the first uses of electricity, the internet, the first automobiles, etc. and proclaimed, "So what? There's no plans on how to actually utilize this. It's useless".

The event didnt take place a year from now.

>and there is nothing debatable about that Yes there is. And that you think there is not is only proof that you are not aware of where state-of-the-art is right now. The reason it probably isn't has more to do with the goals of the presentation and risk management, \*not\* because of any particular limitation of the tech.

Probably not, but not for the reasons given.

Are you suggesting that they have implemented an LLM in Teslas? Interesting if true.

Yea the same folks who are parroting the ol' "cHaTgPT caN aLrReadY do thaT🤡" ...who either clearly never watched the Optimus interactions or have never seen how chatgpt speaks.

The latency on that setup makes the idea impractical.

This is something you would expect from a company like Nikola, but I guess Tesla is also trying to sell vaporware in order to keep the stock price up

There are tons of robots in production lines. What you are looking for is: why is nobody making humanoid robots? What is the advantage of a humanoid robot carrying a 20kg crate and doing a slow wonky walk to where it has ro go? Compared to a robot arm putting 20x20kg crates on another wheeled carrier which unloads it at destination, where the robot picks it up and mounts it on a car.

Yes but the assumption would be that Grok can do what those robots did. Which is just wrong. Grok can't even do that without having to use a voice.

Win? Nobody won here… /s

Okay, but is this not exactly what an AI could do?

they need to send it out into space and be able to VR to it 👀

this is true i saw a video online of one of them handing out cookies with an accent

The bandwidth thing doesn't sound right. First their could be special access points for the robots (modern hardware have multiple antennas), and second, sending input information doesn't seem like it would require much bandwidth

AI wouldn't have an accent.

cheap humans? do you hear yourself??

It would take very little bandwidth as for the control. Only thing that might use some would be streaming video for the person to make the right movements, and even then thats not that huge of a task for a decent it department to setup.

They also had different voices and accents. It was remote controlled

The background noise alone would probably make real time conversation with AI impossible, I would imagine it was probably hard enough for two humans to hear each other with all the music etc unless they are doing realtime noise suppression like Nvidia cards can do on top of everything else. Impressive show, but usual showmanship for the time being. Once they start working in the factory doing hard complex jobs done by humans without custom robot jigs like today, I will be impressed - until they fire human workers as a result .. the first victims of the robotisation of complex human jobs will be the hardest bit, as universal basic income will not exist.

Asimo is 10+ years old and did more https://youtu.be/QdQL11uWWcI?si=g_rn-G6r6HPs91kZ The hardware is very old.

There are plenty of mass consumer robots. Astro, aibo. Maybe not humanoid ones but that because humanoid robot would be stupidly inefficient.

How are people buying into this bullshit?   Tesla is not a robotics company.   Musk is using Teslas business to build robots to work on Mars.   Too bad he’s not focusing on cars.  Stop investing in this company.

The remote control part wasnt the driving. It was the demonstration with elon. The doors closing and the car starting the path quickly was remote controled. The paths were pretty setup to only have 3 destinations. And you had to manually press them. For the demonstration they did it remotely. The actual driving looked like FSD given how much it kept breaking.

I dont think it was even mocap. Their hand gestures where limited to a few which is available in vr chat. So my guess is they are controlling it with a vr controller too.

ChatGpt is also years ahead of tesla when it comes to ai

Automation is easy, AI is hard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ-QPOLXnLw

Tesla is not state of the art in AI. Here is a video of the operator even admitting they aren’t autonomous https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ-QPOLXnLw AI still cant replicate a realistic human voice without a reference point. And i dont mean it cant speak, humans talk with a lot of errors and imperfections. Most AI doesnt try to have imperfections.

https://x.com/natererun/status/1839391892989210883

Seriously what a gross way to look at other people.

The ones pouring drinks definitely were.

If making the autonomous for certain tasks was the easy part, why did they have to be remote controlled? I’m not sure how the hardware is that impressive either?

Optimus won’t be replacing humans regardless of the environment.

Factories already have robots.

This is a very poor argument. Going by your logic, everyone should assume that any prototype they ever see will definitely wind up having real world application. I think you’d agree that this would be a crazy position to take.

Robots are everywhere in factories.

What does Optimus currently do in terms of real world application?

No. Just no.

Really? There’s nothing at all about LLMs to suggest that will happen any time soon. It’s always the same with Tesla etc. “imagine what it will look like in a year” I don’t know how much more evidence people need to realise that exponential improvement is not guaranteed.

I don’t think Tesla can or could do it. But OpenAI/Anthropic/Meta/NVIDIA/Google? One or more of them could. So much money is being poured into this and LLMs have improved a lot in just 12-18 months. Guess we will find out.

Money being poured in yet they are nowhere near producing a profitable product. I also don’t think LLMs have improved that much in 12-18 months in terms of real world productive application. But we will see.

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that's exactly what an AI could do

Because the tunnel is open to the public and would requires a permit to operate the vehicle autonomously. This was a private, closed course event. Gives Tesla significantly more leeway on the administrative side.

You can ask ChatGPT to speak in a range of accents, including non national ones such as Afro phonics lol

Does anyone honestly think they'd let prototype ai loose in a crowd of people?

If the autonomous part is the easy part then why weren't they autonomous?

How do we know that even the robotaxis weren't human controlled/supported.

https://x.com/OwenSparks_/status/1844694396895199305

Haha! My friend had one too. That thing was just an RC car with a clock radio attached. It's claws could do some basic grabbing, pouring, and moving objects with much intervention and assistance from the user. There are videos on Youtube. A very nascent form of what we saw last night. If I'm not mistaken, Lego also had builds that could do rudimentary stuff like that back in the day\~

Why are you willing to suspend belief for one company but not another, you have to be objective. It has been done before and is being done better unfortunately.

But I would argue that is an invalid assumption. Grok isn't powering any of AI behind fsd which is what the robots are built on. I'm not even sure any of the Tesla engineers have ever talked about integration with Grok.

That is a little inaccurate. Here is Apollo at IMTS a few weeks ago, doing manupilating objects with tactile sensors, by itself. It is also battery powered. https://preview.redd.it/8axyuolqybud1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d36efd63bec9793b3234712f2382d283a251a4bc

Yes.

Look they don’t have to be controlled by Ai to be useful. Imagine if they can be teleported by some guy in Africa that makes 1 dollar a day or less. How much better his life would be if you could pay him and his family more to do easy tasks remotely with a robot. Elon makes things you don’t even know you can use yet.

No thank you. Like everything he does outside of SpaceX it seems like a gimmick.

No I am suggesting that it is all smoke and mirrors.

I have no idea anymore what point you are trying to make, so TTFN.

Future manual labor from home? nice.

The robot is impressive and so is their progress. Also the robots st the event told guests they were human assisted

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I think it was both. They had a few canned animations they could play with a button press, and also they could use teleop to control the hands. I don't think the robots serving drinks and handing out bags were just playing back pre-recorded animations.

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The AI will control thousands of robots at the same time. No company has on board AI. Robots are shells.

I saw a clip of someone talking to one and the robot said um like 5 times. I don't think the person talking was prepared to be asked as many things as he was from well that particular guest at least. Idk I'm no expert but it didn't sound like any ai I've heard from other programs like Alexa or siri / chat gpt

I'm sure it's not easy but some companies have had milestone breakthroughs like Boston dynamics.

I don't think it's easy but like others have said. There are other companies that have developed autonomous robots that can run on all 4s like a dog depending on design or run on two feet, shoot crawl, etc etc.......you know like this.    https://youtu.be/rTiL9R_Q5PA?si=mibXiKkDnjFNbtSK

Its pretty obvious that these things are remote controlled lol. These things aint shit against the robots from boston dynamics.

Sounds like one of you have a made up friend 🙂

Vr chat controls arent prerecorded. With oculus controller you can move fingers but not directly. You can see the rock paper scissors one make mistakes a few times, and it looked exactly like when i was trying to figure out vr controls to me But i could be wrong

do any of yall have siri breh, or alexa, they can talk in all languages and accents and have expressions if you let it

its called exploitation buddy and you dont sound tough or smart proposing this idea in this kind of manner.

Yeah, but then this makes me skeptical of Tesla, why lie to us? :/

No mamas whey

Hello Rockshitpony!

If that was the robots voice and response time and not a dude with a mic, my mind is blown. I don’t think it’s possible. Prove me wrong , please

a touch of the tism

A model trained on actual human speech can mimic pauses and ummm’s etc. e.g. if you count to 50, you would need to take a breather in between and such pauses are ingrained into LLM’s.

I know more, but i was told not to say anything else. Just remember this was not a tesla location, it was warner bros. So there was a limit to what Tesla was allowed to do to avoid disrupting the studio's network. Also its a union facility.... they werent allowed to do anything unless the union did it.

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I bet that sounded cooler in your head.

It always does.

Being a smart investor isn't just about seeing the future or being intrinsically knowledgeable about a subject...sometimes its just being smart enough to ride the wave and know when to get off...if you think these mechanoids being passed off as robots are real, your knowledge of robotics is severely lacking...engineers are are on reddit bro... i suspect your on the NVDA train too, because GPU's are brand new science..lol

Which sentence made you think I was not objective? I never said or implied Optimus was ready, in fact my original post stated "Most of the progress so far is the agility of the hand". On the other hand, /u/JustSayTomato declared that figure.ai was ahead ("done already, better") of Optimus when the source linked barely shows anything more than Tesla's update.

It is not an issue if some of the bots may have had voices coming. **Why?** - The bots were not walking, grasping, etc. by remote. Tesla has already demonstrated the bot's autonomy with physical move prior to the event. Now, what if they were completely remote-controlled? What do we take from that scenario? - Optimus BOT stands out among all other humanoid constructs. It's not just a machine, but an extension of a person. It can be deployed in hazardous situations, effectively becoming a person in that scenario. For instance: 1. Boeing could have remotely controlled the return of its Starliner when it thought it was too dangerous for the 2 astronauts to return from the ISS in it. 2. It could be dispatched to the ocean depths, effectively becoming a 'person' in a place we cannot physically reach. 3. It could be sent to the moon to build a base... - It destroys Disney's animatronics... It makes Disney's tech obsolete. **No matter how you look at Optimus, It's a paradigm shift/game changer.**

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Was your friend one of the dancing "robots"?

Yea no. While your random explanation isnot impossible, it's not what is happening here in this specific situation.

It depends on what your metrics are, but overall I'd say they sweep the competition without question. They have impressive speech-to-speech capabilities that are (at least publicly) unmatched. That is, you speak to a model that does direct processing of the audio and responds with its own. This model also has unmatched control over its output; it can whisper, take on different accents, speak faster or slower, and so on. OpenAI hasn't provided the most friendly interface for, say, audiobook creation (where Eleven Labs may still be the dominant player), but I don't expect that to last all that long. The unprecedented steerability of OpenAI's voice model makes it vastly more useful than a simple text-to-speech model, at least in theory.

Not really..

You truly do not know what you're talking about. And yes, it is deceptive. Obviously.

Are you being sarcastic?

Its just mental gymnastics.

And he's literally faked robots before....

You do know conning makes a boat load of money. Investors don’t care if it’s real or not, they only care if it makes them money. The general public is stupid enough for this to make money.

Tesla stock fell about 9% today after this presentation. You are right, all the collective knowledge of the world reacted to the presentation accordingly.

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The smartest investors in the world decided the presentation was not up to par, hence why there was a 9% drop in the stock price in a single day. I am agreeing with you dude, these investors are smart, that’s why there was a drop today. 9% in a single day is huge.

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Correctly Priced…😂

It’ll be fun to see the creative ways people destroy these things if they ever end up in the wild…lol

Oz was an amazing place too, right up until they pulled back the curtain…

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So basically the ones copying things we already have robots doing.

No, I don't invest in meme stocks with ludacris valuations, great way to lose money. I do invest in blue chip stocks with proven track records of deliveries and accumened leadership with proven records of results. Gold hasn't hurt my portfolio lately either...and if your ready for the BIG curve ball, I actually own 2 Teslas...that doesn't affect my ability to be a critical thinker...Elon is off his rocker...CyberTruck is a five year olds wet dream...I no longer trust Tesla, and will behave accordingly

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The one handing out chocolate was absolutely not autonomous and anyone with a brain should be able to see that

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Yes, it did was the person asking it questions wanted, I’m not sure what your point is.

Because Elon has done this same thing before and they are being presented as if they are autonomous. He is a charlatan and a conman, I don't know how people are still falling for his bullshit

The Robots being anonymous is bot the point. The point is that the Robots hardware can do anything a person can.

Nobody wants to talk about the army of TSLA dudes surrounding each walking disaster just to make sure it doesn't poke anyone in the eye, fall over, or hurt anyone? Those dudes looked like they were on edge and ready to step in and catch those "robots" when they fell at any minute. Any usefull robot of any kind, has to be allowed to be on its own. No circle of caretakers, no supervisers, just the robot and it's task. Anything else is pointless.

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https://preview.redd.it/aao0kvqdreud1.png?width=758&format=png&auto=webp&s=bb5589661eac58f5ae8867fc151b66060e674271 Were the robots not what people expected. Remote controlled or otherwise? Ummmmm......

“Hope” you enjoyed the ride !

Damn typo!

Missing the point... Even human remote controlled the overall function on these robots is quite good #justanothershillyoullsay

That would be a better test. If it spoke Latin I would believe it was AI.

Yes

How could it be a slave lol. Since it's remote controlled it's not even AI.

Are they?

Boston dynamics have been developing their technology for decades, Tesla have not. If you think the two are similar it's because you don't know enough about robotics. The reason Optimus walks so slowly and looks like it's shit itself is because they need it to be in a squatted stance and move slowly to have better balance, just like Asimo, which is unlike atlas that can walk and run without issue and even while carrying weight. Do you seriously think Musk had them make it slow in case of a robot uprising? Lmao, no it's because they can't make it any better than that and they're just trying to piece together the bare minimum product in order to prove it wasn't all a lie designed to pump stock value before Musk sold more shares. It's walking is just one example, but everything with Optimus is the same story, they talk about tactile feedback but Asimo had that, most robots do in fact because how do you grip with the correct strength for any given part without it? Every single thing about Optimus is decades old and irrelevant, we know robots like this won't take off because Asimo didn't, it's not even comparable to Boston dynamics.

3 years ago they had nothing. Now they have.this.

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Isn't the end goal to actually have these fully automated and not RC?

Are you saying current AI cannot utilize different voices and accents? Are you saying these capabilities are not currently out there ALREADY?

Considering Boston Dynamics has been developing their robotics program for over 30 years, Tesla Being only a decade behind Boston Dynamics after only starting work on Optimus 3 years ago is incredibly impressive and indicates that they will surpass BD at some point in the near future.

Why TF would they be remotely controlling the cars when they have FSD software in all their vehicles? I use it every single day and it works flawlessly. No one can convince me that level 5 SAE isn't only a year or two away or that FSD isn't level 3 yet.

When I get in my car, shift into drive and then activate FSD it takes off exactly the same way the Cybercab did. There is absolutely zero chance that the cars were being controlled by people. The version that they had running in the cars was also probably two or three versions ahead of 12.5.

How do you know that? Do you work for Tesla and had access to how this event was implemented?

So what is this non-accented voice that all robots speak in?

Eh in thr current day it's not hard to get where they are. Some university robotics clubs make more advanced robots. The initial steps aren't the difficult ones, the advancement ones are

I'm kind of disappointed that they were remotely operated.

Vega loop would require a permit to operate autonomously, which tesla doesn’t have.

Coding in a bit of jitter in the movements is easy, full autonomy on top of they clearly wasn’t.

That makes perfect sense.

i mean just because the ai that we’ve had so far isn’t as good as this doesn’t mean that they don’t have it. for all we know elons company could really have created this software. maybe they didn’t i mean i don’t know but i don’t think we should just throw it to the side and say it’s fake without knowing for sure. i mean what we know we have is pretty good already and this is just a step above. gtp4o or whichever one it is talks very naturally. the only difference is these are quicker and more diverse and understanding in what they say

Your doors auto close without youtouching them? Your FSD starts without you interacting with the console? I was specifically talking about the elon demo, where he sat in the car and didnt touch anything. Doors auto closed and drove off. The driving bit was absolutely FSD, none was driving cars remotely

Yea im saying that. So did the literal people controlling the robots. There is literally videos of this,

How could they even think this was a good ideA

20k grown mans toy

Why are you calling it “it”, a human confirmed it was remote controlled by speaking into a microphone…

Because "it" is a robot. A robot controlled by a human, but still a robot. Yeesh. If a pitcher throws a baseball, and you want to talk about the baseball, it is still "it": "it was thrown at 88mph"

Next time I order a pizza by phone, I will thank my phone for taking my order. Noted…

yeah

War of the future.

LLM can say um too

Here is a rumor from a Silicon Valley Tesla employee I spoke with the day after: they were bolted to the ground for legal/safety reasons and remotely monitored to ensure they were answering and gesturing correctly. They could be overridden or interrupted and remotely controlled at any time depending on question. Limited AI independence.

The part which scares me with the remote control idea is overall, that it could also give access to bad actors, being in your home directly. From one moment to the other, that robo-friend could take some knife, hammer or set your house on fire while you're asleep.

@ 07:35 for those not wanting to watch an entire video for the statement

Yes and that was obvious from the start. Does anyone think that if they had been fully autonomous Elon would not have led with that announcement and milked it? The outrage over this is the most childish thing I've ever seen, anyone who paid even a little attention would have instantly known.

with interaction, not that I know of, but they can make a podcast based on info and make it sound like humans with breathing and sounds. I would think it would have been much better load the robots with a langue model that is not as good as real human then to have humans speak through em. But hey I am sure the PR department of Tesla if full of much smarter guys then me /s.

Yes

What does India have anything to do with that?

The majority of call center workers are based in India.

And is this ‘any other company’? This is by far the most successful man in the world and one of the most consequential companies of our lifetime, only way you can compare that to other CEOs is if youre just trolling

If it were true that Optimus is talking autonomously as well as it did during the event, Elon wouldn't keep us guessing. This would be huge if true, and it would attract large investments from people all over the globe. So why didn't Elon clarify whether it was an autonomous AI doing the work? Because it wasn't. That's the only logical answer. The event shared a vision, not a reality

No

Im literally posting this response everywhere... we literally have self driving cars at least in AZ... maybe other states are broke af. Im gonna say this...why do people ask for this stuff or complain that we are so behind technologically and then once its released (usually what people asked for) no one wants to believe it? This man invented a neurolink that has already been released to the 1% that allows crippled people to walk and blind people to see...how do people not see this is real? Hellooooo? Wake up being sleep in 2024 is the real unbelievable thing to me. Obviously for safety they probably had maybe one or two but these bad boys will be released soon. Don't worry we will all see how bad of an idea this is if any of us watched iRobot or played Detroit become human.

Common sense. You can release something to the public without any testing what so ever. Would you wanna be liable if sh*t goes south? Lol

We already have those cars...?

Well they wont be "remote controlled" in peoples homes lol

I later found out that they were only autonomous when walking into the event and when dancing, all of the ones interacting with humans were remote controlled; I asked 'why' and was told that the point of the event was not to show off the AI tech, but to get people 'used' to the idea of interacting with AI objects like the robot and the car. So i was actually wrong, it was all staged.

1. They tricked the peopl because they lied about the software. 2. The hardware is nothing groundbreaking, that's why everyone is unimpressed after learning they lied. The software is what was supposed to be imprssive and turns out it's not.

Getting Elon and his fans hard down there...

In four years in university w are able to replicate most of the great minds' work on our field. It's not that hard because they have already done it and solved the issues. Tesla is doing the same, but lagging beind,they just progrss faster because they started later. They're going nowhere.

It's awsome progress if you forget they'r just lagging behind on what other companies already did and way better. You progress faster when you're just following footsteps.

1. It can't. 2. Other companies have hardware that does the same and in some instances quite more, while truly being autonomous (there are loads of links around the comments).

[https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/driverless-tesla-will-travel-l-nyc-2017-says-musk-n670206](https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/driverless-tesla-will-travel-l-nyc-2017-says-musk-n670206)

Yes, to all of that. The driver door opens and then closes when I get in. Now, with FSD 13, I press a button on the screen, and it pulls out of my garage, drives me to where I need to go, and then parks itself. THEN I press a button on my phone and it meets me at the door. It is 100% within the real of possibility, no, probability that those doors opened and closed by themselves. I am almost positive that the mechanism that causes my doors to work is far more advanced in the Cybercab.