Cybercab

Good photo, I now see that the side wall is painted silver

I like it, now put normal doors on it and the plaid driveline and driver controls and I’ll have one thanks

Just make the roof not sloped in the back, make it a 4 seater and it would sell out instantly in Europe/China.

As opposed to what?

But wouldn’t that just be a Model 3 then?

As opposed to painting the hubcap silver. They painted the rubber silver.

The shape is a lot like the Honda Insight. The original one.

No, this is 40-50 cm shorter than a model 3, the difference between a medium-big car and a medium-small car.

So the Model 3 is big enough to be difficult to park in most of Europe? Not disagreeing, just curious

Apparently yes

Yeap ( I lived in Rome), for us any car longer than 4.5 meters is on the big size. The C segment is the average in Europe, so your Bolt EUV in EV terms or VW Golf in European terms (4.3 meters/170 inches). My Ford Galaxy, 4.85 meters long (190") is considered gigantic. Under 4 meters is B segment, the most sold in the city and villages, and then under 3.5 meters are the really compact car. Edit: just to give you another example, for us a a Ford ranger (5.3 meters, 210 ") is considered offensively massive and for jerks who have to compensate. An f150 is 5.8 meters, 230"

the Model 3 is fine, but shorter would be nice. The S is a fucking boat and insanely tedious to maneuver in cities.

Yes, by EU standards the model 3 is a large sedan. Not the largest, as a bmw series 7 or Mercedes class S would be longer, but 4,72m is long here.

The wheel wells take up too much space for a second row to be added. Lengthening the wheelbase would probably be necessary. https://preview.redd.it/1209yuvvn2ud1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2db50d08698e7a47a53c490ba765c8d66589ccab

I'm in Lyon France right now and I see a ton of Model Ys driving around. It's definately on the big side though. Tons of tiny Renault and smart cars. Gas is like 1.80 euro per liter, so electric is super attractive.

It’s a Toyota Sera with a body kit.

Why do Redditors complain all the fucking time because something unconventional comes out? I fucking love this un-normal and cyber shit. Show me the weirdest designs so Reddit can rage complain even more.

Vaporcab\*

Not in the first build, dead claim would be double.

Wouldn’t the first step be to actually have unsupervised FSD lol

If this was the 25k car, without ugly wheels, I'd buy one

The return of the whitewall tyre?!

I wonder what the last minute design change was that caused the event to delayed. There were some rumors it was something to the front.

Can we have this *with* a steering wheel, please? I desparately want a *smaller* Tesla. Don't care about Robotaxi/FSD.

Yes. The Model 3 is humongous. Way too long and waaaaay too wide for comfort. The vast majority of drives are with a single occupant. If there was something that could actually compete with Tesla tech/efficiency/charging/fun that was smaller then people would buy that in droves.

i was just thinking the same.... they suck the fun out of anything interesting by speculating how it woulda been better...

Looks like a roblox car in a neutral way

Volkswagen XL1

Welcome to Johnny Cab!

Exactly, having a 2 seater of this size is such an odd choice. I would have expected a car of this size, but as a 4 seater and with front seats that you can turn backwards. Or a 2 seater but smaller, you don't need horse powers or big trunk for 90%+ of trips

Yep, it's pretty wide. Fills the average car park space. Spaces being too small is quite common now because of the SUV craze, but the Model 3 is on the bigger end of normal. America, your cars/trucks are absolutely massive, and you think it's normal!

It’s like the original comments to AirPods launch. All negative, it’s ugly, useless, etc. Yet most popular and profitable product Apple has ever made.

There is. a MASSIVE difference between AirPods and something like this. Tesla (or Musk) is constantly announcing and promising things and then missing those deadlines or releasing something that does not actually do what they say it will do. I actually think the cars themselves look OK, I just don't buy that they will be working in 2026/2027. It also seems kind of stupid to make your dedicated taxi a 2 seater, when it seems like the market is dying for 2 seater EV that you can drive yourself.

There's already a lot of competition for this field with cars on the street. People have FSD in their cars and can tell that it is not ready to be completely unassisted yet. Elon has repeatedly overstayed deadlines and capabilities of fsd. Many reasons this is different. When Apple announces and releases a product it is fully fleshed out and ready to go high quality. Tesla does not have that reputation

And for under 30k is great value. Just add cable charging and it's perfect

I drove a megane station before my model 3, and it's (feels) significantly larger. I can't always make turns in small parking garages in the Netherlands. When parking it sticks out on the front when parking 30cm from the wall in the back.

If it had the same range and charging speed (in miles per minute) as my Model 3 AWD...and a 0-60 time in the 6 seconds or so with the same screen size and software...then I'd take it at 30k. Possibly 32k.

Doors need to go out of the seight of the camaras and take less space, so less change to hit something when opening.

90% of taxi needs are 1-2 passengers

If they put a wheel, pedals, and screen on it then it would print money. However Elon…

Farzad was suspecting it was the Robovan. It might not have been ready to showcase. I personally think the Robovan is hideous. It has a retro futuristic look but I think it’s way too much into that styling.

Serious question. What do driverless cars (particularly cabs) do once they drop off the current passenger, but the passenger “queue” is empty, so there is no next destination? Do they sit still? Do they head back to a specific point and remain there? Or do they just go roaming around draining the battery? A human driver might take that time to quickly go get eggs, or head to a nearby taxi rank (in the places these still exist).

Exactly. If I’m on a trip with my fam I’m renting a car. I only call an Uber if I’m by myself.

Brother eewww

It's gonna be like 90k

Unconventional? Hahaha 🤣

What's that brother?

If they could actually hit that 30k price point and stick a wheel in it, you have a nice electric alternative/competitor to the Miata (MX5), BRZ, or GR86. It seems so utterly stupid to make a 2 seater car as your dedicated taxi. They already have the 3/Y, why not just retrofit those? Even from a purely business angle, if you are a company running driverless taxis, why would you not just buy the base model 3/Ys? You're able to haul 2x-3x as many people for about the same price per unit. I would consider myself a car enthusiast. I own an NC Miata(MK3 MX5) now, but have been interested in electric cars ever since my dad leased a Nissan Leaf way back in 2014. The Leaf itself was not anything special, but being in Vermont meant there were not a lot of electric cars around (or chargers). People would often stop and ask about it if they saw it plugged in (which was often, with only 80 miles of range). I still remember going to a small electric car event and seeing a Tesla, and the weird Rav4/Tesla thing. Looking at the electric market, I feel like a cheap and fun coupe/convertible would sell like crazy.

I would program it to go charge back up on the nearest available charger

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Not to worry, it won’t appear until after the roadster does!

Why can the car only seat 2? What is taking up so much space at the back

They go to hot spots for rides and sit in street parking from what I've seen. I've been using Waymo since I moved to Phoenix and it's pretty neat, though I've seen them get confused by construction and sit idle in the middle of busy roads sometimes.

If this were to take off in a big way I'd assume we'd see private parking lots in central locations converting into places for robotaxis not in service to come, charge and stay in return for a small stipend. And maybe cheaper ones out of town that most would go to when demand was low at night.

Yes it's big, but the wide turning circle is more of a problem. Very tedious to maneuver.

Who is supposed to buy these? Where's my Model 2?

The proportions of an electric Rally car like the Dakar or Sterrato. So this is more of a commuting taxi not an airport pickup or hanging with dudes taxi.

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VW XL1

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This is actually sick I would buy this

The market is dying for a 2 seater EV? says who?

Yes, I saw a pretty nice shot of a Model 3 parked alongside several typical European cars a couple of years ago. It looked huge. And I should know, I bought one a couple of years before moving to a medieval village in Tuscany. Parking, even with sensors, is an adventure.

so you are rage complaining about others rage complaining. seems like you are exactly the same person you hate, just with a different design preference.

Why 2 seater only?

The driver is in the back.

nobody sees a major issue with the doors swinging outward like that? how would that even work in major cities?

NO 2-seat car can be a functional taxi

Vapour Ware

Me, I want one

Poor man's XL1. Even the same doors.

2-seats make this dead on arrival.

> It seems so utterly stupid to make a 2 seater car as your dedicated taxi.  I dunno. More than two people is rare in tax rides, so that should cover the vast majority of calls...and for those cases where you have more you do it with a Model 3/Model Y based robotaxi (or Robovan in extreme cases) Don't forget that robotaxi is not just supposed to be a taxi replacement but a replacement for your car (i.e. you call it for commute/shopping/errands)...and there you hardly ever need more than one seat.

Even a single rear seat might be useful enough for some.

I really like the way the car looks. If I could get one with a steering wheel and pedals I would buy it tomorrow. I would love a 2 seat, 2 door EV.

Yeah for a short charge. I think it would also need to consider where it is most likely to be needed next. No good charging out in the suburbs for too long, then needing to get back to the city centre.

Pray or contact the regulators in charge that they don't allow a vehicle on the road without a steering wheel and pedals.

If there's no steering wheel to control, we should be allowed to sleep in the back.

With Tron Wheels.

2 seater taxi?

Majority of people who use ride share apps like Uber are either 1 or 2 people.

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This car was bonked on the head with a Tom and Jerry hammer

Something unconventional didn’t come out. Something unconventional was announced to maybe come out 2-3 years from now, using capabilities that Tesla said their cars would have in 2-3 years back in 2016.

No sex in the robot please

Please stop using cyber in car names it’s just cringe

We Robot is a terrible slogan

I live in AZ. We have had WAYMO for like 2 years operating autonomously. Previous to that their cars were on our streets for about 2 years prior to that with drivers mapping and correcting. Leon's "data" from all his cars does not have anything on WAYMO physically driving the routes THOUSANDS of times and storing all of that ACTUAL DATA. Imagine people believe that this can be done safely anytime soon without LIDAR which Leon refers to as a crutch. Tesla stans are soooo excited this morning. It is the same feeling they have felt DOZENS of times over the years. Christmas is coming!!!!!! Just not sure when.

I robot was taken by another over budget, failed do deliver intellectual property.

Yeah, that's absolutely what's going to happen in these things. Makes me wonder who gets to clean out these autonomous fleets and at what interval they'll get cleaned. I see them being absolutely littered with used condoms and empty beer bottles.

Exactly

If it actually works fully autonomously, why do you care?

Or the minibus they just unveiled

Because they buy for 'worst case'...but with robotaxi you rent the size you need when you need it. (And yes, I've driven a 2 door/2 seater vehicle for years and that works just fine)

It's a massive cargo area for luggage.

Most American cities are designed around horseless carriages.

???

The announcement showed the car being cleaned by a robot arm. It suggested the car would be able to inductive charge while being cleaned by the robot arm. It vacuumed the seats, cleaned the screen and some other stuff.

Like Cybertruck?

Yeah it's not like 80% of Ubers are 2x or less people...

Cheaper to produce, longer range, smaller battery, and it covers 80% of use cases. Most ride hails are 1-2x people.

Crumple zone

Good luck doing that across the country AND still making money. Yeah that's never going to happen.

AirPods were not announced to ship in 2-3 years while requiring major software, technology, and regulatory advances to fulfill their core purpose.

in major cities the cabs pull up very close to parked cars or curbs that have polls, bikes, etc. With a traditional door, you can swing it open maybe a foot and slide in. with the doors swinging outwards and need to open fully, you will need much more clearance to get in/out of the vehicle

Yes. Model 3 is pretty big.

Seems odd (to me, a layperson in the field of automation and robotics) that they have confidence enough to have a robot arm clean it, but not to have a robot arm plug it in. I'll have to go back and find the robot arm, wonder how well it handles vomit.

Maybe the model 2 is this with a steering wheel?

Another thing that the Tesla folks never want to talk about is the fact that waymo has been working with the government regulators for a DECADE!!!!! TESLA HAS NOT EVEN STARTED!!!!!

This makes me chuckle because as someone who works at a ford dealership in the states, the size of vehicle it takes to be considered massive and offensive is so off the charts larger than what you are describing. I’m not saying you guys are wrong over there nor do I have a preference but just thinking that some of my coworkers Rangers would be considered overcompensating for something puts a smile on my face. The ranger drivers are the humble ones.

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I thought the driver was in China remotely?

Looks like an unfinished 3d model made in Blender after you successfully finished a doughnut tutorial.

Honestly if the Model 2 is this but with a steering wheel, i'd buy the shit out of it

My FSD trial couldn't figure out how to turn in traffic from a stop sign. Sorry but we're not remotely close to no steering wheel on the FSD platform. The original price for the Cyber truck was $39k. Setting a price target of $30k today for this means probably $70k when it releases. Whatever Elon says doesn't matter until it's releasing. Right now this is all smoke & mirrors. "2026, before 2027" means 2032.

You almost never have more than 2 passengers in a cab. It happens, but low single digits. It's more efficient to build a smaller car.

LOL at thinking this will ever sell for under $30k

It wont be 30k, the cybertruck was also going to be "only 39.9k".

Trunk is pretty big https://preview.redd.it/tqg532rix4ud1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6047af7c96b6e0422e7fb69120aacfe89ccf2d4d

The reason is you wouldn’t be able to fit in most of the old streets around the city. I saw one F-150 in Rome and it looked massive in the street.

No front trunk 😅?

https://preview.redd.it/9ru6chfzx4ud1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e9851e264b93f3a147578ef635787f3afc8e827 The market has spoken

Ohh the sidewall of the tire, I thought you just meant the side of the car and I was like yeah… of course they painted it silver lol

It's that generic sporty car I used to draw over and over as a kid 35 years ago.

in NYC, you dont see many huge lardos because 1) its too hard to be that large in the city 2) its too expensive. anyway, is the car isnt practical in the largest modern cities, how will this work. nobody is going to buy this for middle america

They did announce s3xy and truck will be able to act as robotaxi

Add a detachable Steering wheel so the owner can drive it. $30k (plus fed/state credits) & a car that ride shares when I am not using it, I'll buy one now.

Nothing, it has a big trunk. The reason is that like 90% of rides are 2 people or less. That's all. This is a product meant for that market.

80% of vehicles are carrying 2 or less people. For a taxi perspective, 2-3 seats are mostly wasted. The back is a big trunk for the passengers stuff.

Same, I own a model three and a Boxster manual Would be sick to have a little non supercar coupe It should have some next level suspension and there should be a performance and non-performance variant Maybe instead of spreading the battery they have it stacked more in the center like a mid engine vehicle This could give crazy Porsche style rotation on the corners

This was communicated previously as the backup plan, and until recently was understood to be the current plan - to offer an identical car with a steering wheel which would enter into production sooner. However they didn't mention or discuss this at last night's event so it's unclear if that plan has changed or not. I expect there will be a question about this on the quarterly conference call coming up and hopefully some clarity. And i do think there would be a large market for such a car presently, especially with the EV tax credit driving the price down to possibly under $25k, maybe closer to $20k.

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"driver" = huge water cooled computer from Nvidia.

If this would be a 4 seater with steering wheel and controls for 30k, they would sell close to millions of it.

Will this also be launched in India? Bangalore or Mumbai area?

Damn I would want this as a personal car to drive.

I don’t buy that at all. I agree that most rides are probably with 2 people or less. But this puts a hard limit at two passengers, which seems kind of dumb. Meanwhile, a fiat 500 is much smaller than this, and easily seats four people

In freedom units, that's US$ 7.55 per gallon, VAT included.

I don't know about US cities but in Europe there are literally designated areas on the sides of roads (like near bus stops and intersections) where cab drivers can idle their taxis and sit/wait for customers. During slower periods there can be a several or more taxis just sitting there waiting.

That's one reason the Model Y sells better in many countries in Europe. It's just about 2 inches longer but has a lot more space and a hatch instead of a trunk

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Perfect, coming next year and in 2016

You really need someone to tell you why people don't like Teslas? lol History of vaporware, history of underestimating prices by about half, shit product quality, terrible self-driving tech, and of course Elon Musk himself It's not like people hate on other electric cars or self-driving. Tesla does this to themselves

Because that is all is available in the 20k+ range unless you are willing to risk it in a smart for two against the gigantic SUVs on the road today. If the prevalent car of the day was a 2 seater in a reasonable price range, I bet most people would continue buying one. It has become an arms race in some ways started by car manufacturers making large and larger 4 seaters exclusively

Just order another one if you need more seats?

Brilliant idea… or just have a better cab that can seat more people? Doesn’t need to be bigger or even more expensive.

What is it optimized for? 2 people with a wheelbase that could easily fit 4. A front that suggests highway driving at high speeds and an elongated rear that seems to want to optimize airflow at higher speeds. Butterflydoors for the appeal whilst it is trying to be the ultimate low cost commodity. This is schizophrenic af. All while this shit bucket will mostly (if ever) service urban areas at low speed. And let me guess it comes with the model3s 200kw+ rear axle... Something an autonomous vehicle does not need at all because it'll drive smoothly and defensively in order to be widely accepted.

Hidden Lidar in the back lol

Or build the same size car that can fit 4, so that 10% of the time you don’t need 100% more car.

We, Robot. Joking about a movie that is a cautionary tale of advancing too quickly and not having fail-safes or disconnected counter measures in place when society becomes too reliant on technology and assumes more is better... Great reference

Ever seen a roomba run over dog shit?

Looks like modified model y

Ok, but are taxis commonly limited by the trunk space? With just 2 people riding?

I bet the percentage of vehicles carrying a small amount of luggage is much higher than the percentage carrying only 2 people. I think it would be very rare that you'd need such a large trunk for only 2 people riding.

so the kid will be stored in the trunk. Impressive.

Haha keep dreaming about it being 30k

So if you have three people, you get an Uber or a Waymo.

It would sell well in NYC too! Probably the only place in this country where small cars are popular.

Pretty sure this is their "model 2" unfortunately

And Uber up 8% on the news.

While I understand the 2 person seating (no driver) and large cargo space, I am unimpressed by the FSD technology. The only place this could work is well AI learned roadways with no complex merging, no confusing signage, no aggressive drivers, minimal foot traffic, etc. such as airport to specific hotels or other transport hubs like train stations. FSD just isn’t very good on anything but highways. It drives elsewhere like a 16 year old with a learners permit.

https://preview.redd.it/o70wut1a65ud1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1da26d0ed2949b1a29cbc616f7101f26ea4e3032 Meanwhile the market is up. So this is just a Tesla misfire on his bullshit. Sometimes ppl just want normal shit and not dumb shit that you want to force down their gullets. His ego. Racisms. And mad desire for power and money is why this happened. I used to be a champion for him and Tesla. Now I hope for their demise under his leadership. Best thing he can do is leave and let a sane person handle things. He has lost all perspective and alienated his core base. Educated, eco minded…. Ppl with money who would be repeat customers. But he fucked that up for his base of uneducated poor “chads”.

That looks pretty similar to the VW XL1 Concept from 15 years ago. Even the wing doors are the same. https://preview.redd.it/4t60bg1w65ud1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a64e96aa226c9ba5a79df8f695d7bb2bd9447a28

Crashed and burned again. Oh, Elon.

https://preview.redd.it/jeejta7e75ud1.jpeg?width=1206&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a5612ceb9bdcc74e35d05da8b4f66c0aa4155408 Investors are not buying this BS!

Holy crap that trunk is so large it's got 2 of its own zip codes!

I understand that a unified trunk is probably better for storage and a little more convenient to access for the average person but...I just want to throw out there that you can use the backseat for luggage as well. But you can't (legally) use the trunk for passengers. I don't think the sorts of people who would find it too difficult to get their luggage out of the backseat would have so much luggage that it'd overflow the Model 3's trunk anyway. I'm sure there are other factors I'm not considering through. The low height and slope probably help increase range considerably. And perhaps in the future they'll look into sleeping compartment versions.

Yeah I remember when the cybertruck came out and this happened.

Yeah if it's cheaper than model 3 due to seating two, many many people will buy this. The price of this will likely determine success or failure

Why do the doors open so wide?

Yeah, I thought he was really cool in the early days but I think that adoration really got to his head.

Liar unveils thing that doesn’t exist.

Is it me, or is the reality that this is a working prototype for both the entry level low cost car and the 2nd generation coupe? The huge rear wheels will be needed for the performance coupe traction.

I was thinking this and I guess it’s tights when I think about a cab I think of my family at the airport. But…. My last 5 rides were single rider.

This was probably the model 2

Throw a steering wheel on it and put it for sale!

Is it stainless steel? Can it chop off fingers like the Cybertruck?

Coupe Utility version please?

why can’t the seats go back

Cab for one person.. maybe . Daughter you and mom will have to take a separate car. Ha ha

But 90% of rides don't need much trunk space or any at all, so why does it have such a huge trunk?

I would think two extra seats that fold up would work better.

That's quite funny. You could release a mobile app that rewards your for safe driving in realistic traffic scenarios. In situations where autopilot loses confidence the onboard nav throws over realtime to a crowd source of point maxing gamers. They do the tricky work never realizing they are the AI.

Quite, stress free commute, 5/5. Leon REALLY is playing 4D chess.

I think the idea is that most cab rides only carry one or two people, and that those needing more seats can be serviced by the existing Tesla fleet. Send a model Y instead. This is a cheap to build cheap to run car that covers 80% of use cases rather than compromise its cheapness to cover 100% of use cases.

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Then you don't get the aerodynamic roofline. For journeys where you have 3 or more people needing a seat then a Model Y will suffice instead. They're building a new cheaper model to service the 80% of journeys that are one or two passengers.

I wonder if the silver paint option on the Model 3 was to gauge how a stainless steel sedan would be received.

might as well just remove the "lid" and make a robo El Camino

There is no way that is going to last, I hope it doesn't stay with the final design.

Subsidies. You still pay for it, just unknowingly and without having control over your money. >These subsidies are primarily in the form of tax deductions, exemptions, and accounting methods that reduce costs for fossil fuel companies. >The Biden administration's 2023 budget included $757 billion in incentives for the fossil fuel industry, including preferential lease rates, tax preferences, and research funding.

How will the robovan work over hills and most roads? Seems too low and too wide of a wheelbase.

Is this just a concept version of what they are looking to make.

MM’s with their “buy the rumor, sell the news.”Every. Single. Time.

Do people like these weird designs? I feel like I'm in the minority, but I'm in love with the design. I know it's a taxi. I'm not a tesla fan boy. I don't own a tesla, or have any real intentions, though I do hope my next family vehicle ends up being an ev.

Another vaporware project that lines his pockets while harming any potential for real public transportation

Wtf?

While true in the case of a cab, why are we seeing yet another car that will be several years before it hits the ro... Ah. See what he did there delayed FSD robotaxi until the car is done to host it. +18months right there then. Why not just use M3 and Y? Suppose they need space to hide all the Lidar gear they discovered is really needed, and a probable FSD computer upgrade.

Yeah, Elon promised the Cyber Truck would be 45k. He has lost all credibility with me regarding price and timeline estimates.

This is pretty cool

It looks like a monopoly piece that nobody wants to play as

What, exactly, came out? That's right, nothing. This is a press release. From a company owned by a pathological liar who is CONSTANTLY making empty promises and failing to deliver, and sabotaging the handful of projects that do work (thanks to the hard work of others) with his toxic ego. Forgive us if we don't bend the knee and lick the boot alongside you.

2 seats seems like a major oversight

40 cents a mile might mean most people won't have 2 cars anymore! Huge savings :)

Seems to drop a bit every time doesn't matter how good the news is the next day stock drops

it's very easy to pre-program to move object following the pre-defined routes, even school project can do that ...

Why's it a bad idea?

I think this was a backup plan for a model 2. Something happened so Elon doesn’t want the model 2 to be released just yet. Too bad. Europe wants model 2 badly.

Maybe so people can use it to grocery shopping 🤷

Same. I could take it to work, then send it back home to take the kids to school.

How is it going to get charged? Is it driving to some sort of EV parking lot where people hook it up to power?

Ahhh yes overly complicated doors again, what could go wrong

Ah, Tesla Prelude Prius

I don’t know where you’re from but where I’m from, cabs consistently get at least three. That’s why so many vans exist in the city.

really exciting!

But it's a robotaxi, it will spend most of the time in the city, right? Why is the aerodynamic roof so critical inside the city? But ok, if all the models will (somehow, lol) be robotaxis it makes sense to also have a smaller one.

Junk

Looks like it does not have a frunk, maybe to keep the costs low.

I'm sure this will be out on time 🙄 just like the Roadster.

Giving him a lot of credit thinking he ever transports his kids at all.

They should have just made a cheap Tesla you can drive. Waste of money and time. The no steering wheel feature is stupid. What if the car breaks down. Can’t turn the wheel. I see in the future someone going on a ride they never wanted and being unable to take over for the AI robot. You thought you were going to the airport and you end up somewhere else. Nothing you can do because no human can take over and drive.

Why not just make it like a normal hatchback where the back seats can be folded down if more trunk space is needed? A lot of people would like a cheaper alternative to the Model 3.

That’s just effing great, now Big Chap and his pals have a ride when they get down here.

gonna put zoox out of business

But what idea is that? Why not make it at least 4 passengers? The only time I ever use taxis is in a group to go to the bar or home.

Yeah, agree. He's lost all credibility in general. This car will never ship.

No, no they are not

Did you just make this number up?

I am sure they did a cost benefit analysis that showed 2 ppl was optimal to the cost. An suv will always cost more than a coupe, by sheer metal alone.

Cheap to build. Ah, that’s why it has silly doors.

Yes but is it metal???

What a joke! FSD is horrible. Go ride in a Waymo and you'll actually see the future!

Cab with two seats?!

They already have other models that cater to 3+ passengers. This is a new model that is far cheaper to build that covers most people's journeys.

Such a joke.

What I love about Tesla is their concept cars actually become reality

If that's the demand then they'll field more Model Ys and/or if it's cheap enough people will take two cabs. This is a far cheaper to produce model that fits into a different niche.

For me personally, i know there's numerous situations a.i. wouldn't know what to do with. Someone attacking the vehicle, getting stuck in snow, any situation with bad camera visibility, etc. Just saw a video the other day, some guys were spray painting and kicking a waymo taxi and the taxi just sat there till they were finished. Even if it costs the buyer extra, I'd rather be able to control the vehicle if need be.

No mention of stainless steel anywhere for this body. The contours and curves suggest it's not.

I’m surprised they didn’t put 3 up front like old trucks and car bench seating. Why not if you don’t have a wheel. Or at least make the middle a foldable jump seat.

Lot of high douses of BS IV on the same night. Is it a record?

I’m not sure the trunk is THAT big. He’s got 12 of them.

The seat seems very low, maybe this car height is shorter than model 3. Front looks low and tiny, maybe no frunk.

Why is it a 2 seater? To make sure we have worse traffic problems?

Would have been a badass coupe if it had a steering wheel.

Hideous

Because like 70% of the time the car would just carry those heavy seats around with no one in them.

Why is it only a 2 seater? I get they probably did some market research to see that most Uber rides are just 1 or 2 people, but why not just make a model 3 without a steering wheel? Seems odd to make a whole new car that is just a 2 seater.

Well GEICO won't cover it.

TESLA XL1. Great work.

Those wheel covers are awful, but it does look nice

heavier. more expensive.

It just empty space above the battery. Of course it becomes trunk space. It's not like they designed the car around the trunk space. They chose two seats, so the rest becomes storage.

It’s literally a taxi.

It's an early concept car. Take it all with a big grain of salt

Better looking than the cybertruck

Copy of Rimac Verne

no rear window? and no steering wheel? doubt it will be 30k

May take a year or two, but it's happening After 2 years of using FSD daily, I'm also finally convinced it's going to be ok for unsupervised soon.

Love it. Wish it was a 5 seater though

Lol pics 2 and 3 look like toy cars and an action figure

It somehow looks worse than the cyber truck.

Not going to lie. The Cybertruck is ugly. This think looks pretty slick. Like something out of a Robocop movie.

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I’d buy it.

Oh. Oh no.

72.7 percent of statistics are made up.

apparently some of the self driving happens with drivers remotely managing the vehicles. The presentation was aweful - why spend 30K to get a taxi - who buys a taxi that could get used by others part of the time. why only 2 passenger or 20 passenger cabs - why not something in between - who is the product manager on this madness. The details are so light they had to introduce a robot to make their 30 minute presentation. Earnings on Oct 23 are light and Tesla needed to get some thing to hype. People have figured out Tesla's game. Tesla's best days have passed.

And no one will buy or use it.

It’s definitely going to come with pedals and a steering wheel…. I kinda can’t see it any other way

If this wasn’t a Tesla, wasn’t planned for full autonomous and had steering wheel/controls I would be interested. The styling small package and huge trunk are appealing.

When did he promise they’d be ready by? Hahahahah, FSD is right around the corner, buy it now… Hahahahah

Depends. Almost all rides to and from airports need lots of trunk space. And this is a big market. Not sure what percent of the TAM though, but important enough I would imagine

In many places that is exactly what a standard sedan taxi is right now. You are not allowed to ride up front with the driver and in many cases the rear seats are only good for two.

tbh you just described those "AI" amazon fresh stores, but instead of rewards it's a person's wage that's being earned

Can't wait to see it on /r/ExpectationVsReality.

is this supposed to compete with uber? like a higher priced more dangerous service?

Quiet? Doubtful, unless made a priority in design. Otherwise, a symphony of rattles and clicks will likely begin after a few months of purchase, if that. 2023 MY owner here. If for short trip in cab use case not too bad, but to own over years - a bane to sound sensitive individuals.

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lol concept cars all looked like this 10 years ago. the reason they arent in production is because they make no sense. people dont hate it because it looks different, they hate it because its dumb as shit lol

It goes to get eggs

They do? That’s pretty cool. Wonder if they also detect all the grass my dumb dog pukes up

Again, ***If it actually works fully autonomously,*** why do you care? You're arguing that it won't work fully autonomously.

Wasn't the whole 'we' thing done by another company to not so great success?

Looks like a Prius

You mean the hilariously flawed and unfinished shitbox that no serious company would have shat onto the market?

oh wow......painted wheels! bet that cost a few $$

A shame they’re not making this an entry level Tesla tbh. I do like the look of it a lot.

I want one but with a steering wheel.

I have a 7 seater model Y, I don't have 5 kids.

it’s flawless

We can hope. As of last summer, it was apparently a very difficult task to get Elon to allow the inclusion of the possibility of a steering wheel.

Unless it comes with a delamin, scam 💀

it kinda looks like a mini cybertruck toy

Wait what? this looks like something out of a movie. Yall hating on this!?

Totally stupid idea. All vaporware.

How many fingers have been chopped off by Cybertrucks?

man I want those wells in mate black

If this thing can take my kids to school, pick up, send them to after school activities, sign me up. I don’t care how it looks. I don’t see that happening in the next few years unfortunately.

I like the look of it, practical.

It’s never coming out anyway, not to worry.

Coupe for a taxi - really don’t understand this. And why even have the small one? Just make the bus. And where is a minivan format vehicle? Simple cheap doors, low cost, 8 passenger-ish

He's going to have to be forced out. There's no way he'll leave on his own. I don't even know if that's possible even given the amount of shares he owns.

VW called, they want their XL1 back.

Just like any Uber or Lyft driver, they'll go to the next probable pick up spot and loiter until they get a call or are reallocated to another location. Waymo already does this by optimizing for coverage to reduce pick up times.

This look better tho and is optimized for highway driving where the robotaxi is mostly for city streets

Does tesla even have lidar and radar data or is it just imaging?

What a pile of crap

So is the 2020 roadster coming or nah

Imaging.  Leon thinks LIDAR is a crutch.... They used to have radar but Leon took it out.

Tesla gonna have its only ride share app

What happens to those hubcaps when it rings right into a pothole? FSD is pretty good at driving straight into them.

You would use a Model Y or 3

It looks like they took a new Prius and compressed it, then smoothed out all the body lines.

Hate that they’re making driverless cars . The most fun experience about cars is driving them . The future is going to suck

It's vaporware. I guarantee it never releases looking anything like that and is at least a decade out.

Strange design for a taxi. Would have expected more easily accessible back seats.

I mean…. It’s cute? I guess

I’m amazed that people discuss this as if it was some kind of genius move by Elon. Did anyone consider that this could be one more sign that he finally lost it totally?

Good point. They should have made it a one seater.

Do we know the leaked image that we got from Spain that we thought it was model y juniper was actually this Cyber cab? The taillight kinda matches with the leaks.

Dumb Vaporware.

This car makes no sense. I knew Musk was losing his marbles, but I think they all rolled away and are gone now and nothing's left

What do you think the 3 and Y are for? It will be easy to redesign the interior for Robotaxi use, they were designed with that in mind.

So it's a Mini Cybertruck minus rear seats with a carpeted bed hatchback cover? 😳

Lol

This makes no sense and doesn't explain the large trunk. If you can send a 3 or Y with HW4, why do you need this car? More expense to design and build, with a dedicated production line, which supposedly does nothing more than a 3 or Y, sans a steering column. Just build a 3 without a steering wheel and be done with it. No body redesign, cheaper, supply chain existing already. Nothing is stopping Tesla from doing this NOW, except the real issue which wasn't addressed, is that they can't because the software isn't capable.

Well, that went over like a lead fart. Leon continues to over-promise and under-deliver.

I was going to say looks like Alpha Motors - ACE https://www.alphamotorinc.com/ace

Now show the guy co trolling it from the background. Stupidest thing ever. I mean a cab with only 2 seats?

This is it. The utopian future without car parks basically should exist right now because we have Uber. It’s the same as this, just that the vehicle has a driver which is irrelevant in the scheme of what he means. It’s already perfectly easy to have a life without a vehicle in large cities. The slide about public transport being crowed is just silly too, imagine how much worse traffic would be with everyone in a robo taxi.

I think that is likely correct

Not really - in the U.S. it is only those that pay federal income taxes (not just FICA, etc) that are subsidizing the cost. That is close to half of tax payers.

Or just call a model 3 or y. Vast majority of taxi rides consist of 1 or 2 passengers, it makes sense to design a vehicle for mass implementation around 2 people and use the others as supplemental vehicles for the outliers that require more.

Honestly this is just Tesla trying to get its shares up. 1) Two seaters are utterly useless, at least give a four seat option. 2) 2026? lol ok. This will be easily by 2035, at which point competition would’ve come out with similar designs for $20k. 3) The robots are still so stupid. They definitely won’t be ready until 2035+, and are so far behind Boston dynamics it hurts.

Finally, the designs they've had for the last 10 years have gotten quite stale.

All of this bickering and speculation seems to be supporting my hypothesis - which is that there is no Robotaxi, at least none that's seriously being worked on. The two seater Lamborghini -type taxi car that's unveiled is just a gimmick to get people talking, the less sense it makes the more people talk. One day there will probably be a Tesla Robo Taxi, but today the real product on the menu is the Tesla stock and FSD.

They would sell millions of these if it had a steering wheel.

It could be so nice if it wasn’t connected to that asshole

> why do you need this car? Cheaper and quicker to build, which makes it more feasible for Tesla to build out their own fleet taking over the taxi market. There's a huge number of design details that point to this car being significantly cheaper to make and it being more durable. > is that they can't because the software isn't capable Not yet, but the progress in the last year or so has been huge. They've just recently enabled the neural net driving on highways, and there are countless videos of the cars making long journeys without interventions across cities like San Francisco. There does seem to be regional variance, with the cars performing better in certain places, but the robotaxi can launch in those locations. Whether it takes 1 year or 5, I would put money on them being the first company to have a truly mass rollout of self driven taxis. Waymo are the only other player who are at least in the same ballpark, but they're reliant on other car manufacturers and then have to install all their equipment on top. They a long way from being able to compete on price.

He was never cool

Just like the cybertruck... oh wait.

I mean, just like the semi... oh wait.

If he’s aiming to grab market share against taxis and ride sharing, might not make too much sense to go for less seating and more luggage space. This looks like he intends for it to be just for airport stuff. Most people aren’t going around with a bunch of luggage unless they are going to the airport. There is a reason why waymo, taxis, ride shares all provide at least 4 seats.

Looks like a Model Y with bigger wheels and less room.

It’s tiny!

I’m sorry but those gullwing doors are just waiting to be kicked off their hinges by drunk college kids cybertaxiing home from the bar.

Imagine curbing those wheels on a daily basis lol

My biggest automotive design peeve is stupid doors. There’s a reason almost all vehicles have doors that work one way… that’s what works best. Yet some put form ahead of function.

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I want to know how FSD handles foul weather. What does it do when snow begins to cover the roadways?

Yes. That would work. London cabs have this. I’ve sat in those fold-down jumps seats facing backwards many times. A lot of fun btw.

Is this the sub 30k car everyone's been talking about? Really wish it wasn't 100% autonomous, it would make for such a neat car for those who don't need the space.

I think that this shape and size foreshadows the least expensive base Tesla coming in the future.

WILL cost over 50k by release, 100% guaranteed

Especially not at 30k like he claims. If it's 30k you'll be lucky to have spray paint protecting it.

Did the cybertrucks require the nonexistant full self drive function? Cause I'm pretty sure robotaxi will. I hope you're not going to pretend that he hasn't made the same false promise of actual full self drive function every year for a decade now. Also, where will this robotaxi be legal and insurable? Vehicles on public roads require a driver to be present and at the wheel prepared to take control at all times. Even if it did come out in the extremely unlikely timeline he promises, the legislation to allow this outside of very specific areas will not be complete by then. They will not be road legal for the vast majority of the US.

This is such a cool concept

It looks like the future

As long as there's idiots who will pay $100k for a CT, you can't blame Elon for taking advantage of them.

Lol. Tesla is so delusional about what people want. "we want a small cheap EV" Elon: "here is some robotaxi vaporware"

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It has a designated driver in India, wearing an occulus rift helmet and holding a playstation joystick. A starlink satellite dish in the trunk completes the setup.

trashy metal can.

Just stop it with the stupid wheels. No cab company is going to want a car with wheels that cost $1000+ a pop to replace. Put some 18 inchers on it and be done. That said, I kind of dig the shape of the car. Sell THAT minus all the robo stuff.

That would probably require a center airbag, and the center screen get in the way of that.

Welllll these are electric doors. There's a reason your tailgate doesn't open sideways - going up is likely to have less obstructions.

That’s Fire! The future is here

With those Wheels it looks like it is straight out of 1976 futuristic art. Put some normal wheels on it and I think it would look pretty cool.

I love the sleek lines of this coupe and would seriously consider buying a production model non-taxi

Lol I thought my car was supposed to be able to do rideshare while I sleep and earn me 30k a year what happened to that?

How many of us want to buy a taxi cab? Not me…

Ok, so let's assume that the price is $30k for pre orders. If I pre order it at $30k and the price goes up before it releases, do I pay the $30k I originally pre ordered it at? Or do I pay the price it gets adjusted to after I place my pre order? I know this was the case with the cyber truck where it was priced lower than what it actually was at launch

So do you need a drivers license to use one?

are they stainless steel like the cybertruck ?

Cybercrap

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Since they said almost nothing about details, what are the details that point to it being significantly cheaper to make and also more durable? Certainly not those doors.

The doors needed electronic opening and shutting anyway, so hinge placement being in a slightly different place doesn't really make much difference to the cost. What's so expensive about those doors? In terms of what makes it cheaper... They've ditched the second row of seats. You have fewer doors, fewer windows, fewer seats, less wiring for heating the seats, fewer speakers, less impact protection, less lighting, no second screen or the additional computer to drive it, fewer A/C vents and ducts, etc. At least some of the body panels are plastic according to the first reports from people at the event. They've dropped lots of glass present in other vehicles - there's no rear windscreen, there's no glass roof, there's no small triangle of glass in front of the front windows (it's black plastic). The bonnet has fake seam lines up the front, in actuality it opens with the front seam directly above the light bar - that makes small misalignments of that panel far less noticeable, simplifying the build. Same story with the interior, they no longer align interior design features across panels, e.g. between the door and the dashboard, so they don't have to worry about perfect alignment. The seats have been simplified, with internal stitching which doesn't need to be as perfect. The centre console is significantly more simple and smaller, there's nothing extending between the passengers. The entire body is made of a couple of large panels, look how simple the roof and the boot are compared to other models. It doesn't look like there's a frunk, indicating they've moved a lot of the ancillary devices like pumps and heat pump octovalve into that area, simplifying the installation. I'm sure there are many other features and design choices that I've missed. But most of those also make the car much lighter than it otherwise would have been, in turn allowing a smaller battery to achieve the same range, further reducing weight and cost. Changes to the seats, use of plastic body panels (they'll be one colour all the way through instead of externally painted), the simplified interior, less glass, etc. all make the car more durable.

Mid.

This is the dumbest product to never get launched.

So if it breaks down, how do you move it to fix it?

Many broken promises for stuff to arrive next year. 2 or 3 years sounds like a decade based on experience.

Oh it’ll ship. Just with a “popular demand steering wheel” and for $37k

Its just a car.. lame

Scratched riiiims!!

Elon Musk is bringing the future we always imagined. Everything else is more of the same bullshit

would be cool if it would be available with a steering wheel, especiall for europe

How about getting FSD to work before depending on it for the next product? Seriously, I bought FSD in 2018 and am still waiting for delivery.

Yes. In cities it's hard to find street parking for cars the size of Model 3 and bigger

Am I the only one who is wondering that doors are taking too much space while open. It will be difficult in a crowded area to get in and get out with these doors.

So it will be ready to go in 2031? Wtf is this grift?

If that is really their motivation it would be silly to me: Is this supposed to be a taxi or better than a taxi? It's supposed to be better, i.e. much cheaper. If it isn't cheaper then there's no point in Robotaxis. So it has to be cheaper and this means it should be more than a taxi, it should strive to be used in situations that nobody nowadays would call a taxi for. So taxi usage statistics are not the right target. > But Model 3 and Model Y can serve that Okay if these cars also achieve Robotaxi status eventually then what's the point of the CyberCab? To be a little bit cheaper while having less use cases? I find the whole thing quite strange.

What’s the purpose of butterfly doors on a cab?

The Model Y juniper will look similar to this .

Sliding doors would be even better.

Really? What is the purpose? Elon stated 3s and Ys will be Cyber taxis too. And why have a 2 seater running around town when we already have 5 seaters. I guess it gives some free promotion - it does look cool. One day (questions is when) we will look back on this and realize how right this is.

I guess Elon is taking the current young generation's demographics in the mix - you are NOT HAVING ENOUGH KIDS : ) So who needs to take a family with : )

That's not a compliment. The model s and 3 are gorgeous. Cybertruck not so much. This looks like cybertruck and insight had a baby

Great, another concept that'll never see the light of day. #roadster

Doors that open like *this*.

And it’s a piece of shit car so what’s your point haha

I’m not liking the shape of this car. Disappointed. The top is a mismatch to the lower portions of the car and the front is a mismatch to the rear…and it looks botched by committee.

Old people love entering/exiting sports cars. That’s why all current taxi designs are seated low to the ground with lambo doors

This is just a pimped model Y right?

I actually like it. They should make one that holds more passengers though

>the robotaxi is mostly for city streets It's definitely not optimized for city streets. If it was, it would look like a minivan, sacrificing unnecessary aerodynamic for interior space and accessibility. Same for the doors, they'd be sliding ones.

My take is that they recycled a roadster concept car. As you pointed out, the design choice doesn't make any sense for a taxi. This should have the form factor of a London cab instead.

Yes. Many cars are the size of a VW Golf or event smaller in cities. If you drive a longer car, you'll need to wait for a longer car to leave a parking space for you.

Isn't a 2 seater cab kind of useless? Even if it is driverless?

Almost looked fake, until he got out. Can wait.

Why not put a steering wheel in one of these and sell it for the budget driver?

Does he have any credibility left with anything?

Racism? Wth. Why are you even in this subreddit?

3/4 photo… there is a dude near the bushes who is remote controlling it

again a new promise of 2027.. and the legend comtinues

Losers cab

Vapourware.

Does no one at Tesla know what mass transit is?

Why does it need a centre screen?

Lol did they really paint the tires?

Why is this better looking than the rest of the release lineup?

Nice Ford concept

Why they didn’t talk about any technical detail? It was like ad commercial then unveiling new product..

So no airbags?

Nope

Will be released in 2032.

I wouldn't trust that thing to deliver my pizza.