BYD sues the US Government.

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That’s 2 things BYD have

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For some reason BYD can't bring their budget versions to Europe, I guess the EU banned them.

Merge with Ford

Yes, sort of. There is a floor price for China EV imported into EU. Secondly, transportation and sale network in Europe costuch more.

Why is there a floor price? Do they not want the less wealthy to have EVs? I'm waiting until they are cheaper. I want a budget runaround, but there are none. The Seagull looked promising, but they have had to upgrade it to pass this restriction, which I don't want.

Ah yes the free market that stops being free when a competitor makes better products.

Do you realize that we have VAT here in europe + import tax and higher handdling and salaries, and the cost added due to burrocracy + lawyers is also very high. Even with all that, Its still significantly cheaper than other european brand evs.

That's the thing. The Chinese are well ahead of what Detroit can provide, and their cars are way superior to any offering from GM, Ford or Stellantis. BYD especially has such a diverse lineup that would feel just as home in Los Angeles as it already is in Shenzhen. It's Washington's fear of the Detroit Three being decimated and the added dimension of deep-seated McCarthyism that's holding back BYD and other brands that are otherwise keen on entering the US market.

If it wasn't for the ridiculous protectionism and political inhibitions, BYD would conquer the US by now. They have plenty of models that would suit US circumstances, like for example, the Sealion series and the Seal U, as well as the regular Seal series, and maybe the Dolphin for cities like New York. They've already won over Tesla drivers in Europe who have become disillusioned by Elon Musk's controversial views, they'll win over those in the States as well. If the US insists on protecting American jobs, BYD could build factories to produce cars like they already have with buses and storage batteries. BYD buses are already a thing there, why not BYD cars as well? Let the Americans be able to enjoy the revolutionary EV and hybrid technology for once! After all, the US is supposed to be the Land of the Free, and freedom should mean a truly-free market.

That's right. When I was in the market for a new EV to replace my Nissan Leaf due to my PCP running out next year and needing a vehicle with more range, I looked at various models, but then BYD caught my eye as the amount of spec they cram into their vehicles for the price is way more generous than rivals from Japan, South Korea and Europe. Even the upcoming third generation Leaf didn't feel as value-for-money as the Dolphin I decided to go for. Just got to wait until March before I can early terminate my Leaf without penalty and take delivery of my new Dolphin.

It's still far less than what rivals have to offer. Not even Dacia can match the generosity BYD has. Granted, you could get a Spring, but a Seagull/Dolphin Surf has way better equipment and performance for the price. You're not going to find any cheaper, not especially with the equipment levels BYD are renowned for.

For every penny Chinese government gave in subsidies building the car, the EU puts the same amount on the bill, so it’s a fair competition. Is what I’ve heard.

There's a reason why Chinese cars are taking over markets that used to be staples for the likes of vw, Ford, gm, even Toyota and Hyundai. Their cars are better priced, better equipped, cheaper maintenance. Brazil for example has seen BYD and Geely outsell competitors in almost every category. Edit: the big western brands even signed a joint open letter against BYD in Brazil to try and turn public opinion against them, it didn't go very well

US will put a huge tariff on BYD imports and the consumer won't be able to have the low cost prices of these vehicles. As a US expat living in another country that has BYD, let me tell you I never imagined Id own a Chinese made vehicle, let alone love one. I bought a Shark6 last year and for 36k (USD) this thing is incredible. Its totally over engineered, over the top welds to future proof safety requirements in US markets, its 321kwh motors (430hp), leather interior, good sound system, 2 monitors, 7 cameras, the petrol engine charges the 2 electric engines giving it an 800k+ range. I love this thing.

Most Excellent Mr. President Lula, With our greetings, we come to set forth the substance of our concerns regarding the future of the Brazilian automotive industry. The sector has been, since the 1950s, an important vector of industrialization and economic growth for Brazil. It was born from a developmentalist vision, and with its expansion it propelled one of the largest and most diversified vehicle and auto-parts manufacturing parks in the world. The automotive production chain displays consistent figures, which attest to the soundness of the strategy of locating vehicle production and its components. There are 26 vehicle manufacturers installed in the country and 508 auto-parts producers, forming a production chain responsible for 2.5% of Brazilian GDP, 20% of industrial manufacturing GDP, for the generation of 1.3 million jobs, and for annual revenues of US$ 74.7 billion. Our industry plans to invest R$ 180 billion in the coming years, with R$ 130 billion allocated to the development and production of vehicles and another R$ 50 billion to the auto-parts industrial park. This solid industrial chain was consolidated over more than 70 years of presence in Brazil. Successive waves of investment throughout this historical period deeply rooted the industrial, technological, and product-development and engineering capacity of our sector, positively impacting the economy and society. Industrialization urbanized the country, expanded the labor market, boosted education and science, and added economic development to social development. In addition to resulting in an industrial base like few in the world, it enabled the consolidation of national engineering. It is our duty to warn, Mr. President, that this virtuous cycle of strengthening the national industry is being put at risk and will suffer a severe blow if the incentive for the importation of disassembled vehicles to be finished in the country is approved. Contrary to what some wish to make believe, the importation of sets of parts and components will not be a transitional stage toward a new model of industrialization, but will represent an operational standard that will tend to consolidate and prevail, reducing the scope of the national productive process and, consequently, the added value and the level of job creation. For reasons of equal treatment and the pursuit of competitiveness, this deleterious practice may spread throughout the industry, directly affecting the demand for auto parts and labor. It would be a strong regression, which would contribute nothing to the technological level of our industry, to innovation, or to national engineering. It would represent, in fact, a legacy of unemployment, trade-balance imbalance, and technological dependence. We submit our arguments for your analysis, Mr. President, in the expectation that your government will ensure equal conditions in competition for the market, vetoing privileges for the importation of disassembled vehicles or vehicles produced abroad with subsidies. We trust in the sensitivity of Your Excellency to preserve competitive isonomy and to protect the industry that produces in Brazil. Our ongoing investments will result in new industrial plants, more jobs, added value, and a new generation of increasingly sustainable vehicles. We thus reaffirm, in a concrete manner, our commitment to strengthening the national industry and to the economic and social development of Brazil. Sincerely, Ciro Possobom – Volkswagen of Brazil Evandro Luiz Maggio – Toyota of Brazil Emanuelle Cappellano – Stellantis Automóveis of Brazil Santiago Chamorro – General Motors of Brazil

BYD’s letter Why does BYD bother so much? A company that brought technological, sustainable, and more affordable cars is attacked by obsolete competitors They say the future arrives suddenly. But sometimes what arrives suddenly is the email. This time, it was a letter sent by four of the largest Brazilian automakers to the President of the Republic, begging him to abort innovation. That’s exactly it: they ask, in no uncertain terms, that the government prevent the temporary reduction of taxes for those who dare to offer better cars at a fairer price. Signed by representatives of Toyota, Stellantis, Volkswagen, and General Motors, the letter has the dramatic tone of someone who has just seen a meteor in the sky. The problem is not the meteor, of course. The problem is that it is being well received by consumers — the very same ones who, for decades, were forced to pay a lot for old technology and lazy design. Now a Chinese company arrives, speeds up factory construction, lowers prices, and puts electric cars in the middle-class garage, and the dinosaurs lose their minds. It was no coincidence that a competitor reduced the price of an electric model by more than 100 thousand reais after BYD’s arrival. Why did it cost so much before? The letter speaks of “unfair competition.” Because nothing is more unfair than someone playing the game — and winning. Nothing more unjust than assembling a car in Brazil under a government-authorized regime, with a set date to nationalize production, and still delivering a product that the “locals” cannot even dream of offering. The reaction of Anfavea and its associates, unfortunately, is nothing new. It is the same old script: faced with any sign of market opening or innovation, threats of mass layoffs, factory closures, and the end of the world as we know it emerge. It is a kind of emotional blackmail with a corporate gloss, repeated for decades by the barons of industry to protect a business model that has left the Brazilian consumer at the back of the line of modernity. The irony is that while letters pile up in Brasília, consumers have already made their decision. Just look at the comments on Anfavea’s own social media: “Fighting for cheaper cars you don’t fight for, now you want our support for what?” Or even: “I’ll always say the following: if Anfavea is this bothered, it’s because the other side is worth it.” Brazilians want to move forward, not go in reverse. The temporary tax reduction that BYD is requesting follows a simple and reasonable logic: it makes no sense to apply the same level of taxation to vehicles that are 100% ready and imported from abroad and to vehicles that are assembled in Brazil, with local job creation, movement of the logistics chain, and payment of charges. This is nothing new; other automakers have already adopted the same practice before having fully local production. And BYD is doing exactly that. In less than a year and a half, it is already finalizing the first stage of construction of the factory in Camaçari (BA), at the same location where another automaker, which was also traditional, gave up on Brazil. The final assembly warehouse alone is already more than half the size of the entire former factory. And the contract with the Government of Bahia already provided for this initial assembly phase while the rest of the structure is completed. Nothing was changed. Everything was within the plan from the very beginning. The competitors’ discomfort has nothing to do with taxes, nor with assembly, nor with jobs. It has to do with the loss of protagonism. With the fact that a new player has arrived offering more and charging less. With the fact that technology has finally stopped being a luxury for a few and has become a reality for many. What BYD proposes to Brazil is not a shortcut nor fiscal cleverness. It is a vision of the future with cleaner, safer, more connected vehicles with fair cost-benefit. Helping Brazil accelerate this transition is a strategic move not only for the brand, but for the country. The President should listen to these letters — and use them as proof that he is on the right path. Because if the dinosaurs are screaming, it is a sign that the meteor is working. BYD AUTO DO BRASIL

I'm going to get fat eating all the popcorn on the sidelines!

Hubby and I live in Australia, and I'm also a US expat and never expected to want (much less love) a Chinese-made car with how much shit my fellow Americans talked in the US. LOVE our 2024 Seal. Bought it in Dec 2024, haven't had a complaint since. We've love to get a Dolphin for me to zoom around our small city in, but our garage space is dire enough lol

There is a floor price. They could sell it cheaper otherwise. Hence the car is no longer a minimal spec car. They have to make it premium just to bump up the price.

The Seagull could be cheaper, but they are not allowed. Until they manufacture in Europe. Hence they are building a factory. I'm waiting.

There you have it; capitalism in action!

And BYD make some good compacts that the US market is crying out for. Not everyone wants an cumbersome, oversized pickup.

not really. Not yet. Filing costs comparatively nothing. The true costs come when you have to run a case. There is a balance scale with the president on one side and an increasing number of US importers on the other side. Despite acting like presidential puppets, SCOTUS will need to be mindful of the number of businesses impacted if they allow the administration carte blanche. BYD is spending almost nothing to hop on the scales.

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you claim the filing is a waste of time and money, and when I point out it really is not, you come back with a complete non sequitur. Do you have anything of substance to say ?

Yeah but it will make it easier to appeal in the next administration when they look at how botched the ruling was for this court case.

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This is simply wrong. in 2019 trump put forward a citizenship question for the 2020 census. SCOTUS ruled against him (18-966) and guess what ? The question was not on the census. So clearly not only has SCOTUS ruled against trump, but trump has yielded. So yes, ruling are enforceable

I actually returned back to Australia in 2024 after a 15 year stay in the US and was baffled that there were so many Chinese cars on the road and that people were actually buying them. Fast forward 11 months and I'm driving a Sealion 7 with friends in the US bummed out that they cannot get one. I now realize that my high standards were not only met, but beaten in every way with this purchase. I did originally go in for the seal but once I saw the Sealion 7 I was sold on the spot.

Byd growing 600%+ in Germany in January 2026. Shouldn't be harder if they enter in US, so the tariffs are actually being useful to buy some miserable time for local brands' last breath

They are already sold in Europe, as the Dolphin Surf. They're quite popular in the UK.

Ok man idk who's gonna read all that but whatever you said you be spittin facts my g

This car is the problem. Its not the budget version. Its been upgraded, so that its over the minimum allowed price.

Sorry I was going to post links but I didn't find any English versions so I just posted the whole translated thing

Its ok these paragraphs are way more than enough

With that said. Their full-size pickup is phenomenal.

Despite huge subsidisation, very low margins, and direct access to the biggest market in the world BYD still hasn't created a car as good as a Tesla. Cheaper for sure, but not as good. Read any review. The other competition isn't so good

Very happy to read this news. It’s about time companies start speaking up about these unlawful measures the U.S. government is taking. I hope they win the case and other companies follow.

Having just read it... I applaud the poster :) Really interesting two posts and 100% stating facts of late stage capitalism at its finest :)

BYD is doing very well in Australia. A few years time and the majority of cars on the road will be Chinese EVs. Maybe Korean and Japanese cars can compete a bit but def not US made cars

"good" you mentioned has not been proven or stated clearly. Perhaps you will like to expand on it?

Sure. efficency. For example the seal performance has almost double the horsepower but still cant accelerate as fast as the model 3 performance

hi,where do you buy it?I think that BYD is not selling on America,or maybe I miss it.Thanks.

BYD isn't allowed to sell in the US yet. And if they are allowed one day, Im certain a huge tariff will be added and the consumer will pay mich more for the cars than normal

yangwangu9，z9gt，u8l，denza z，Not even on its deathbef would Tesla be able to make a car this outstanding😅

They are all less efficient, styling copied from existing cars, and cane a decade later than Tesla. Simply pumping more horsepower into a car doesnt make it better. Its the efficency and the drive

Stop making me laugh. There is no original prototype for these cars at all. You can’t copy something that doesn’t even exist.   Besides, Tesla has never launched these models, and there is no way Tesla could build a car like the U9.

Literally everything the Chinese do is a rip off of another car...its pathetic. Im sure it will change in the future. Currently they are a long way behind Tesla, and so is everyone else Original prototype? What are you talking about? Tesla pioneered electric cars to the masses first and they changed the world. Saved billions of tonnes of carbon. Stop letting your political views get in the way of truth, there's 100k other people working at Tesla. Tesla dont do 3000hp hypercars, there's no way yangwang could do a model 3. Even a decade after the model 3 was released.

Pathetic fool. Not a single Tesla car can compare with the Yangwang U9, and Tesla will never build a top-class supercar like it in the future. Model 3? Haha, its lap time isn’t even faster than the Zeekr 001. That’s why Tesla’s sales have been overtaken by BYD. One is reshaping the global automotive industry, while the other is tangled in dirty deals with people like Epstein.

真是个可悲的傻瓜。特斯拉没有一款车能和杨望U9相提并论，特斯拉未来也永远造不出像它一样顶级的超级跑车。 Model 3？哈哈，它的圈速甚至比Zeekr 001还慢。 这就是为什么特斯拉的销量被比亚迪超越的原因。 一家公司正在重塑全球汽车行业，而另一家公司却与像爱泼斯坦这样的人纠缠在肮脏的交易中。

Ah you're Chinese, indoctrinated to praise your masters, and you put blind communist loyalty before fact. The model 3 is a sedan, of course it cant beat a hypercar, but a 90k model S is pretty close. Tesla sales have only been overtaken because of the size of the Chinese car market, huge government subsidies, and tiny tiny profit margins, and elon hate. none of which is sustainable. Tesla reshaped the auto industry, and no amount of 'i hate the CEO' will change that

Disagree. Chinese cars have developed so quickly because of the huge domestic market demand, upcoming middle class with purchase power, shift from ICE to electric, huge government subsidies and tiny profit margins. I agree that most of the major car makers are a little behind, but the Germans are certainly creating better EVs than the Chinese. Tesla are still well ahead just now hated. My point is that local governments should protect their markets from Chinese automakers because its not gair competition. How can ford ever produce something as cheap when its own domestic market is tiny in comparison? If these car makers aren't protected they will go under. Chinese will then have a monopoly and then put their prices up. There will then be no alternatives