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Honda that low. And suzuki is that high?
IIRC Honda doesn’t make as many cars as someone like Toyota but they are the largest or one of the largest producers of engines. Motorbikes, generators, lawn mowers, pressure washers, boats and on and on. This graph is looking at cars only so not giving a very full picture of Honda as a company.
I'm a VW owner. German engineering can not be beat. I have owned Toyota in the past, very reliable vehicle.
what's interesting about this?
VW's german engineering decided to weld the nut that holds on the front suspension to the frame on the INSIDE OF THE FRAME. So when said nut breaks free the only repair was to remove the motor and the front end of the frame and replace the frame to the tune of a $2000 repair. Fuck german engineering.
I've never experienced a need to remove the front suspension of any personal vehicle I've ever owned. Therefore I don't encounter that kind of problem, no matter what make of vehicle I drive.
What? I’ve needed to replace suspension on every vehicle I have ever driven. Do you not put miles on cars? Currently I’ve got a 2012 VW with 210k, a Chrysler with 110k, both needed suspension repairs. Vehicles I have gotten rid of too; my 81 Bronco, 85 C10, 1990s ford tempo, 2004 gmc 1500, 2004 Chevy Aveo, 2010 gmc Yukon … have all needed suspension work oh I take it back I got rid of my 2005 GMC Terrain before doing any maintenance .
Unfortunately the nut inside the frame became unwelded in my 2002 Jetta TDI. Had they welded it correctly I also wouldn't have had that need. But they didn't.
So yes, by your measure my vehicles are low-mileage. Suspension work, sure I've needed that on an older GM I once owned. But that didn't require the removal of the whole unit. Just sayin'.
I thought Stellantis was French just headquartered in the Netherlands
BYD! Imagine if they were allowed to sell in US
I don't see tesla on there.....lol
Nissan not even on the list
Foreign markets. In east Africa I mainly see Suzuki's and Toyotas, Hondas are essentially nonexistent.
Once Tesla opened a factory in China BYD magically had all of Tesla's IP and best practices somehow.
What is Stellantis? Never heard of them before
where are the brits? 🫡
It’s 14 brands together like Chrysler, Fiat, Jeep, Dodge.
Where is Tesla and why that morons company worth so much?
What hyundai is 3rd??? + Kia?
More Italian than French, it's Fiat+Chrysler+Peugeot. They moved their headquarters to the Netherlands just for tax purposes (a disgusting practice IMHO).
rip nissan
VW is such shit cars...how would anyone buy that garbage over toyota....my in laws have gold and jetta...fucking things are in the dealers more then on the roads. Lol
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Its far too small, somewhere between 20th and 30th place
Its far too small, somewhere between 20th and 30th place .
Last couple generations of hondas had some pretty severe problems
Investors say it’s a tech company not an automotive company. The bets on robotics at this point.
Where is KIA located?
Didn't for just recall nearly every car made between 2020 and 2025?
If you switch that to manufactures quality VW is last
Literal market cap of all these top 10 combined yet less car production than Renault. Because this world is a clown world.
If I remember correctly Tesla is not a car company but a tech company. Also they don't really sell that many cars, especially not after trump's second term
Suzuki sells highest numbers of car in India, almost equal to next three combined.
It's mostly crap in 2026. Don't buy this shit.
You for got the /s after the first half.
I’ve been driving VW for the last 15 years. Great driving machines, but horrible electronics. I know my next car will be an electric, and I do not trust VW to lift that responsibility. As our second car we had a Toyota for 10 years. Hands down the best quality car ever.
Good. You dont need to know let them die build crappy car
Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Citroën, Dodge, DS Automobiles, Fiat, Jeep, Lancia, Maserati, Opel, Peugeot, Ram Trucks, and Vauxhall. (and it's Italian, but HQ is in the Netherlands)
I hoped Honda and Nissan deal went through. Honda is such an interesting manufacturer with good tech and manufacturing. And hope it can save Nissan by sharing its tech to Nissan car
Yes. They build a lot of affordable cars in Asia
Part of Hyundai Motor
They make great cars but not many people want to buy electric unfortunately.
Considering they shut down production of the model S and X to make way for the Optimus robot production, they seem to be slowly exiting the car market
My 2019 BMW 6 series was the worst I’ve ever owned. Toyota is the best imo
People are happily buying electric cars from BYD
I’m glad. Electric cars are great. I’ve heard BYD is far ahead of the rest
It’s actually true tho? They’re phasing out of the car market slowly. They’re mostly an AI/tech company
Where's Tesla 🤣
Graph employees per vehicle sold and we'll see who has efficiency. THAT'S the real stat
Here is the data from the image graphed by employees per vehicle sold. To make the data easier to read, the metric is scaled to Employees per 1,000 Vehicles Sold (otherwise, the numbers would be fractional, such as 0.034 employees per vehicle). Graph: Employees per 1,000 Vehicles Sold BYD Auto | ██████████████████████████████████████▌ 192.5 VW Group | ██████████████▊ 73.8 Honda Motor | ███████████▍ 57.1 Ford Motor | ███████▋ 38.4 Stellantis | ███████▌ 37.8 Hyundai Motor | ██████▉ 34.4 General Motors | ██████▉ 34.3 Toyota Group | ██████▊ 33.9 Geely Group | █████▊ 29.1 Suzuki Motor | ████▌ 22.4 (Scale: 1 block ≈ 5 employees per 1,000 vehicles) The Raw Data The table below calculates the ratio using the vehicle sales figures from your chart and the most recently reported global employee headcounts for each company. | Automaker | 2025 Vehicles Sold | Global Employees | Employees per 1k Vehicles | |---|---|---|---| | BYD Auto | 4.60M | 885,400 | 192.5 | | VW Group | 8.98M | 662,900 | 73.8 | | Honda Motor | 3.40M | 194,173 | 57.1 | | Ford Motor | 4.40M | 169,000 | 38.4 | | Stellantis | 6.57M | 248,243 | 37.8 | | Hyundai Motor | 7.27M | ~250,000 | 34.4 | | General Motors | 4.55M | 156,000 | 34.3 | | Toyota Group | 11.32M | 383,853 | 33.9 | | Geely Group | 4.12M | ~120,000 | 29.1 | | Suzuki Motor | 3.30M | 74,077 | 22.4 | Contextual Insights When viewing this efficiency metric, it is important to note that an automaker's business model heavily skews their employee count: * The BYD Outlier: BYD's massive employee count stems from extreme vertical integration. Unlike traditional automakers that outsource parts, BYD manufactures its own batteries, semiconductors, and electronic components, and even has a massive division dedicated to building mobile phone parts for other tech companies. * Honda & Suzuki's Hidden Volume: Honda's employee-per-vehicle ratio looks high, but this is because their workforce also produces over 18 million motorcycles and millions of power equipment units annually. Suzuki's numbers are similarly affected by their significant motorcycle and marine engine divisions. * Volkswagen's Scale: VW has historically maintained a higher employee-to-vehicle ratio than its peers due to heavily unionized workforces in Europe and a strategy of producing many of its components in-house rather than relying entirely on external suppliers. * The Industry Standard: For a traditional automaker focusing primarily on passenger vehicles (like Toyota, GM, and Hyundai), the "sweet spot" for operational efficiency seems to sit tightly between 33 and 38 employees per 1,000 vehicles sold. Would you like me to adjust this data to show revenue or profit per employee for these same companies?
These tables show the financial performance of the top automakers. The data comes from the 2024 annual reports. It uses the latest employee counts and financial figures. Please note that financial years vary between companies. Toyota, Honda, and Suzuki report from April to March. The others use the calendar year. All values are in $. Revenue per Employee (2024) This table shows how much money each worker generates for the company. | Company | Revenue per Employee | |---|---| | General Motors | $1,156,790 | | Ford Motor | $1,081,871 | | Hyundai Motor | $1,028,424 | | Toyota Group | $810,206 | | Honda Motor | $723,103 | | Stellantis | $688,841 | | Suzuki Motor | $539,979 | | Volkswagen Group | $520,824 | | Geely Automobile | $518,750 | | BYD Auto | $111,436 | Net Profit per Employee (2024) This table shows the actual profit left for the company for every person they employ. | Company | Net Profit per Employee | |---|---| | Toyota Group | $88,836 | | Hyundai Motor | $77,527 | | Suzuki Motor | $39,148 | | Honda Motor | $38,976 | | General Motors | $37,037 | | Geely Automobile | $35,938 | | Ford Motor | $34,386 | | Stellantis | $24,170 | | Volkswagen Group | $19,868 | | BYD Auto | $5,769 | Key Insights * Efficiency Leaders: Toyota and Hyundai lead in profit efficiency. They earn significantly more profit per person than their rivals. * The BYD Difference: BYD has a very low figure per employee. This happens because the company is vertically integrated. They make their own batteries and electronics. This requires a massive workforce of nearly one million people. * American Giants: General Motors and Ford generate the most revenue per worker. However, their net profit per worker is lower than the top Japanese and Korean firms.
Yeah I was about to say, walk around in India and you'll know how Suzuki is so high up on the list
Honda doesn’t really exist outside of the US, Japan and China.
So they sell tech or how do they generate revenue?
Once Tesla opened a factory in China Tesla magically had proper build quality and best manufacturing tech somehow.
You're implying that Tesla is stupid?
I guess you haven’t looked at EV sales lately.
„Investors“
It’s VW group. Do your in laws drive Bentley or Lamborghini?
It's where dying auto brands are buried.
THAT‘S what you may think but it’s a pointless figure. Large parts are built by suppliers or even whole car productions are contracted to other factories. This even between these companies. For example Peugeot builds some Toyotas or Renault builds some Mercedes. Even if that is not the case this stat is useless as complexity and revenue per model vary a lot.
It’s all the shittiest car brands you would never buy, combined into a single company
Back in the day (at least in the US), Honda was seen as a peer of Toyota. The Camry and Accord were always neck to neck in sales.
And Mitsubishi which licensed their car and engine designs to Hyundai in the 1980s is nowhere to be found. How the tables have turned.
Does it count for Hyundai sales?
Yes. It is a motor group
Tesla is nowhere in this list and yet their valuation is higher then all of these companies combined. Pure hopium, I can’t wait for the crash
I think Suzuki sells plenty in the indian market.
they’re common in Canada
Peugeot, Citroen and Opel have some nice affordable models.
To own/operate a car factory in China as an overseas company, you MUST sell part of the company to the CCP. Tesla’s Shanghai factory is 95% owned by Tesla, 5% by the CCP. Tesla also opened up all of their patents to any companies that want to use it, for free. Most don’t because they have better tech than what Tesla currently supplies. The only component that has been widely adopted has been the charge connector. Tesla has roughly 350 (347 last count) patent families between 2000-2023. Toyota has some 37,000 patent families for the same time period. Tesla has 3 main factories. Shanghai, Berlin, and Austin. If you look up the vehicle quality standards from each, you’ll find that they are in that order. Shanghai makes the highest quality Tesla’s, followed by Berlin, and in last place, the USA. Tesla’s highest defect rate cars come out of the Austin factory. BYD also has more patent families than Tesla. A total of roughly 25,000 patent families. Tesla is a joke in the automotive space.
They sold their 1st car 20 years ago. And the first EV (what they are famous for) 15 years ago. They are just now starting to enter the European market. If they were allowed access to the US market, that would be it. They would top this list in no time.
Who, Morgan?
[Not only them](https://youtu.be/NAj9zB4vaZc?si=IHB0nx2vQQrskOps)
They had some novel concepts for manufacturing before like that massive press for the body. As for quality and manufacturing tech, I wouldn't say that.
I think Honda were considered slightly better in overall terms of quality, though both make very good vehicles. Can't go wrong with either.
Everywhere in Australia/NZ too.
And the Chinese are not!
Coincidence doesn't mean causality.
It's the staple of crap cars in US. They combined all the trash under one brand so you can avoid it. Simple.
No tesla? lol
They still pretty much are the same quality wise in the US today imo.
Stellantis is Dutch now?
They sell hype
I guess Tesla is going to flop on robots like they did on cars.
No that's why their market cap/stocks is so high. They ain't marked as a car company but tech company. (But still I can remember wrong)
>Foreign markets As in "not Japan"?
It’s not Italian; it’s French-Italian-American. And the biggest problem is the French side, which is destroying many car brands with its decisions. Cramming that 1.2 PureTech into every single car or making five different versions of the same car across five brands is killing sales. Producing a Jeep with a 1.2-liter 3-cylinder engine and no 4x4 is a joke (and no, that version with a weak electric motor on the rear axle isn't 4x4, it’s a gimmick). At one point, they were even trying to sell a Fiat 500 for 50,000 euros.
Does that Jeep still cost 50k at that spec?
How is Jeep and Dodge are not USA?
Jeep was bought by Fiat, who later merged with PSA to form Stellantis. Dodge was bought by Stallantis. Capitalism at its finest. Stellantis is the best car company to buy good brands and turn them to shit. They have the recepe to destroy a brand reputation by lowering quality while increasing prices, and when an issue is discovered (it happens a lot when you assemble a lot of shitty parts together), they love to play dead to avoid product recall, believing they will save money while the end result is every single time way worse (resulting in reputation loss AND money loss). And it seems they never learn from their mistakes. Trully amazing.
Oops you did it again.
Why? It is not a joke
Stellantis didn't buy Fiat, it resulted from a merger of Fiat and Peugeot.
Giga Press is impressive and makes a part of the production efficient. But it doesn’t help much otherwise.
Ya I see Honda as the master of motors. Biased as hell cuz I had a civic for 13 years and had 0 problems
Tesla not in the list?
Seems correct indeed. Top 5 brand.
Pretty insignificant numbers there.
You're right, i totally forgot that ! Corrected.
It kind of is tho
No how? How can you choose that my words are a joke when I say it is not?
It's got me laughin that's for sure
Well lack off sales can definitely be phrased that way
Notice how Tesla isn't there but is somehow more valuable than half of them combined. Definitely not over valued though, the market is being extremely sensible as always.
Once a mighty giant, Nissan has slid down the global rankings… sad 🇯🇵.
Because OP mentioned the USA brands, the majority of the brands and sales are in Europe and the HQ is Europe.
have you seen BYD???
Indeed, over half of the 100 biggest companies in the world use the Netherlands for fiscal structures and strategies like the Dutch sandwich. (Google it). As a country the Netherlands helps companies organize corporate tax evasion in fellow EU member states. The Dutch are aware and perfectly fine with it.
They are popular in the global South.
Woah i wasnt aware of this
And yet Tesla is more valued as Toyota...
Of course they are fine with it, it's a lot of sweet money from all over Europe raining on them, divided by a small population. Just a small correction, technically this is tax avoidance, not evasion. The difference is that avoidance is perfectly legal (though not necessarily ethical).
They make a lot of money by selling CO2 certificates.
VW is leading EV sales in Europe
Because they are brands of a Dutch company. Chrysler used to be German, but was then bought by Fiat, which was then merge with French PSA and move to the Netherlands.
They were certainly their two poorest selling models for sure
Tesla sells about 1.8 million cars per year. Not enough to get on that list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kei_car
Stellantis is Dutch now ?!?
A Toyota may outlived you.
I heard they're going to have full self driving (unsupervised) and AI humanoid robots any day though!
driving on the wrong side of the road...
No. Not in person.
The Dutch people are not fine with it, I can reassure you. But voting won’t stop this problem, and we are too weak and decadent to do anything about it.
They have a letterbox on the ‘Snuifas’ and now they don’t pay taxes.
And Canada, Brazil, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, India, Mexico.
I work in the enterprise AI industry -- I routinely evaluate models from players big and small. Over the past year, we've migrated a lot from OpenAI to Anthropic and Gemini based on cost, performance, and accuracy. At no point has Grok even entered a conversation. They're even less of a player in the AI market than they are in the automotive market.
Yet, most of the profit comes from the US.
keep crying
I mean corporate theft and espionage has kinda always been a thing and since the 80's China has run an extremely successful corporate war. It's just facts more so than a complaint. China has historically been shy to use direct power outside its borders but has been an expert in soft power. They saw America's global brain drain program aka entice the best around the world to come to the US to make money and encourage them to stay with American freedoms and they used it as a means to get thousands of individuals in very important corporate positions with access to IP.
haha,sry for my offensive rely, and in fact Imitation and innovation are indeed best practices, but attributing all success to plagiarism is far too simplistic.
Everyone knows to take Chinese scientific papers and production with a grain of salt. They're capable but not reliable as an international source of advanced engineering or science. Even "their" open source AI companies have been caught multiple times stealing instead of just producing their own models. Like they're definitely capable but it isn't what they choose to do. If something happens for decades across multiple fields and thousands of companies across multiple countries you kinda can't turn a blind eye. I think literally everyone would prefer them to just achieve it themselves.
Watching their Top Gear trashing French cars ( Stellantis )
Honda had lots of years with bad trouble with transmissions, and a few years of bad engines. There can however be many gems found amongst those years.
No Chery Holding?
Sure kid.
Honda sales in China decreased from 1.63 million in 2020 to 0.65 million in 2025, which hurt their global ranking a lot Suzuki is big in india. About 2 million in that market alone
Garbage. Total fucking garbage
In Sao Tome and Principe in Western Africa however, used cars like the 1999 Honda HR-V are plenty.
The worst brands across US and Europe combined into one company. Every brand under stellantis makes unreliable pieces of shit
What’s more interesting is Tesla isn’t on the list but somehow has the highest valuation
Why can’t I find Tesla on this chart?? That’s so weird they have the highest market cap, they must crack the top 10 right?
Don’t worry, their garbage robots will surely lead to massive profits!
Does selling millions of iPhones away from the US make Apple a non American company? No.
I hate how your reply is correct but the brands you mention (Chrysler, Jeep, Dodge…) are like 10% of Stellantis while Peugeot, Fiat, Citroën, Vauxhall make up 90%
VW bigger than Ford and GM combined. Wenn das der Führer wüsste!
Wow, didn’t know it was that skewed but except Fiat, those are pretty rare in the US.
They have factories in the uk
i think it should show all the cars that are included in each group
Well the US has 400M people the rest of the world another 7.something Billion. Makes sense that the US names that are bought by Stellantis would be mainly sold over there. But even if every US American bought the same Chrysler model, it by far wouldn’t be the most sold model by Stellantis.
Most of these companies debt are significantly bigger than their market cap.
Talking about sales.
They sell ok in the UK, there's a fair few around but the lack of a hybrid model to properly take on Toyota or the Korean brands and no electric car capable of taking on the Koreans and Chinese is leaving them behind.
I’m not trying to argue here? Just mentioning the brands an American who has never heard of Stellantis would recognize.
That I understand.
Mitsubishi heavy and regular Mitsubishi such a big difference?
Oh like how airbus is technically dutch but actually Franco-German
You can count by One hand Honda models What surprise me is BMW not in the list.. In 🇵🇹 i see like 50 BMWs or more and 1 Honda
byd? you are joking?
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